White Nationalists and Patriotism and the RACIST Label

Not really.

I like some Socialist ideas but not others.

I agree that all people have a right to

-- food
-- medical care
-- housing

Leon Trotsky was an Ultra Liberal -- he supported Socialism.
Leon Trotsky was an Ultra Conservative -- he opposed the Mainstream Left and Identity Politics. In 1920s and 1930s, Anti-Semitism was an important part of Mainstream Left -- Joseph Stalin's government.

 

I thought about it. And where is this proof of being a white person by chance and being a patriot ends up with being a white nationalist? Is there a poll? It sounds far... FAR more that white racist complain they can't openly claim to be a proud American who is specifically white, without the left popping the bubble.

 

How many Easter Bunnies and Tooth Fairies are in this thread?

 

Yes. They're "white racist", too.

 

Your diversion fails.

And the answer to the question that makes you run away is, "Absolutely not! There had never been a POTUS before Trump who won the enthusiastic allegiance of self-proclaimed neo-nazis and other white supremacists!"

 

Why diversion?

If you know this to be the case, it should be easy for you to prove. If you care.

I do not. Thus, it's not a diversion.

 

You don't seem up to honestly confronting the unprecedented enthusiastic support by neo-nazis and other white supremacists for their "Glorious Leader!"

 

True.

 

The deliberate self deception never ceases to amaze. I understand you've decided to avoid reality in this respect. Let me know when reason and evidence enter the picture again.

 

Reason and evidence has always been in the picture for me.

 

It must be great to have a one track mind. Nothing left to think about, nothing to decide upon and not a single indecision. Once you have supplied yourself with all the answers then you are always right. Mostly far to the right.

 

I'm white and patriotic and nationalist. Not racist though. I don't know why the left can't figure out that those things don't go together. The way I see it, you can't be nationalist and racist. Americans come from all races and creeds. If you are nationalist it is impossible to be racist as far as I'm concerned. I'm sure libs here won't agree, but they're usually wrong anyway.

 

Not if you deny the existence of white nationalists, even when we have several in this forum and one in this thread, not to mention prominent examples like Richard Spencer. Plus several murders in the US by white nationalists. It is great if you've been fortunate and sheltered enough to never meet one, but it requires a complete abandonment of reason and evidence to deny their existence.

 

Those are just racists. There is nothing wrong with being white and a nationalist.

 

White nationalism is the belief in a white ethnostate. Being white and being a nationalist is a different animal. I made a similar distinction to yours in my second post on the thread.

 

The existence of "white nationalists" is based on claims not evidence. The term is made up.

 

well, we need to just call those people racist then, because it makes us white people who are nationalists look bad.

 

It is based on evidence and examples have been provided. To deny their existence is to deny reality. And all terms are "made up." That's how words work.

 

They get touchy when you call them racist, unfortunately, and go on about how they are white separatists and not white supremacists, so that doesn't count for some reason.

 

Tomato, tomahto, lol

 

There is no evidence. Lefties change terms when they are no longer effective. Case in point, global warming.

 

Actually that's just a fairly recent leftist definition of nationalism and it's based on pure politics with the intention to make people fearful of self-declaring as patriots; and especially so if they are White. That it's a typically scummy and nation-hating leftist political tactic surprises absolutely no one.

 

That wasn't the definition of nationalism that I gave. That was the definition of white nationalism, and it is hardly a new concept. It is silly for those on the left to equate being white and being a nationalist with being a racist ethnostater, but those racist ethnostaters do indeed exist and proudly identify as white nationalists just as black separatists proudly identify as black nationalists.

 

Not to spit only our delusions or anything, but if someone tells me that they are a patriot, I've got them pegged as a right-wing gun toting yahoo. But then, I did spend over 20 years living in the backwoods, up in the Colorado Rockies. Down the road, a group of "patriots" had a compound. Their wardrobe was so predictable, drab army green, or camouflage. They also wore black a lot. They carried guns all the time. Don't know why as the most dangerous animals were coyotes and rattlers, both of which will run off if you stomp your feet at them. There were mountain lions, but mountain lions are scared of grown men.

They were entertaining, keeping me abreast of the latest conspiracy theories. Oh wait. Four of them were arrested and given life terms for killing a Jewish man, who had a habit of making fun of the Aryan crowd.

It kind of turned out in my favor. My son, and the son of one of the killers, were best friends. They even built their first explosive device together. When his mother came to my house, to pick up her son, she liked to give me hugs. And I much liked hugging her. After her man went to prison, the hugs got more interesting.

 

So, then all people who are white and patriotic that love their country and own guns must be racist insane *******s huh? Liberals and their lumping people into categories.