Almost Half of U.S. Births Happen Outside Marriage, Signaling Cultural Shift

I tend to agree. So what is your solution? Ban divorce? Yes, lots of adults, and I do mean lots, are assclowns from 20-30 years old. Some mature, some do not. Again, what is the solution? IMO, there is none. It's human nature so we just pass laws protecting the children in cases of divorce.

 

Nope, not me. I'm the one who thinks adults should stop behaving badly.

Not my problem to solve. It's on each of us to not be an adult asshat, and ensure our kids don't end up asshats, or marrried to an asshat.

 

My solution is not being an asshat (about marriage) myself, and staying married.

 

Oh, ya, I remember you, aren't you the one who thinks kids should have to live the hell on earth of two parents who fight, scream, hate each other, cheat on each other, show no love or affection or respect so they learn what marriage is all about?

I think that was you.

When two people divorce, yes, if they don't talk to their kids the kids can get the wrong message, even thinking they're at fault. But if parents handle it right it can go smoothly....many children of divorce are happy when their parents find someone else they really love. Many children of divorce grow up just fine.



Divorce is part of life. Children have to learn about life, the good and the bad.


And growing up with a single parent is growing up with a single parent...others have contended that not having a Dad meant surfire hell and damnation for kids...it's not true.



...and I STILL haven't seen any SOLUTIONS offered.

I see you had to leave out the inconvenient parts of my post that you quoted


So you want a perfect world with perfect people....gee, I want to win the ;lottery...guess who has a better chance of getting what they want, me.

 

Unalienable rights such as "Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness". Your choice and I agree with your choice, but I will not presume to dictate my choices to others.

 

These are the same founding fathers that did not consider a black person should be counted as a whole person.....right? Lol

 

I agree but it seems even talking about divorce or anything involving the thread is just such a taboo topic. Anything perceived as criticism is met with hostility. Having discussions on potential ramifications isn’t dictating your choices on others imo nor does discussion to be generally met with animosity. I’m not saying your are but that tends to happen a lot more just look through the thread

 

As you've probably observed, internet forums primarily have very extreme views. It fascinates me. IMHO, they're akin to the saying "a drunk man's words are a sober man's thoughts". The anonymity allows people to voice their deepest, darkest and most hateful thoughts. This, of course, often results in backlash with people voicing equally hateful but opposite thoughts. Very few of us really want to actually discuss topics with a goal of learning something. Most, IMO, are here to vent their fear and frustrations..

 

I think lack of civility on the internet emboldens people to act that way in their actual life. Honestly I was wrong it’s not just this topic where people meet opposition even clarification with hostility. Civil discourse seems to be dying and people interpersonal relationship skills seem to be degrading. Maybe all we need as a society is more focus on healthy human interaction

 

You don't think that there is a right to engage in gay sex?

 

How is government a "substitute for a mother or a father" just because the mother and a father are not married?

 

Agreed that the lack of civility on social media emboldens people to continue to do so IRL. Seeing our elected leaders do the same also adds to the problem.

 

Correct. In fact, many didn't want to count them as people at all. It was a "compromise", a compromise without which we wouldn't have had the Constitution.

 

And DEPERATELY wanting to ape their heterosexual counterparts, believing this would bring them the same respect and dignity of traditional marriage. Marriage USED to be about improving the wellbeing of children that only heterosexual couplings produce. Now its about forming stable homes to have sex with your partner.

 

Well, gay couples have children. They do not produce them. Almost every state has a similar statute

Sec. 160.204. PRESUMPTION OF PATERNITY. (a) A man is presumed to be the father of a child if:
(1) he is married to the mother of the child and the child is born during the marriage;..........

Only applies in the case of a man, married to a woman.

 

Well used to be against the law in many states for a man to have sex with a woman he wasn't married to. Against the law to cohabitate with a woman other than your wife.

 

Gay people are quite capable of "producing" children....good grief, did you think they were all sterile!!

 

So you think men didn't have sex with women they weren't married to ?

 

Good grief is that actually what you thought he meant?

 

Yeah.....they had some horrible ideas

 

Marriage is about anything the couple want it to be.

Ever hear of Freedom and Liberty and the Pursuit of happiness? Or is that just for straight folks..

Gays wanted the same RIGHT to marry as straights have.

They marry for ALL the same reasons as straights......money, stability, the fun of it, to raise children, to be able to have the right to be with their life partner as they lay dying in a hospital, financial stability, because they love the other person and want to be with them, etc.


Care to get back to the TOPIC?


Maybe YOU can be the one with a SOLUTION!!!!!!!!????

 

It is what he actually posted :""" Marriage USED to be about improving the wellbeing of children that only heterosexual couplings produce. """"

 

People change and evolve. We are very different people in our twenties and thirties. We tend to level out in our forties and beyond. So the choice of partner we make in our twenties is very different from what we want in our thirties. Sadly, we see a lot of marriages between people in their twenties...and even more sadly, we see them having children. The likelihood of that marriage lasting is (statistically) 50%.

 

I agree. Anal and or oral sex never leads to pregnancy.

 

I've got news for you. People over forty still change and evolve and "grey divorce" is on the rise.