How To Finally Resolve the Abortion Debate

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  1. chris155au

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    When does it also become the man's?
     
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    Since when was something ONLY a consequence if it affects someone?
     
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    I have no idea, nor do I care.


    Assuming the shop keeper was killed by the criminal, I would consider it undesirable but without consequences for me.
     
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    I mean the other states which haven't legalised it. The left don't care about abortion, they're not the force that they are in the US, that's for sure! Why did you take me off ignore?
     
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    And you wouldn't like to see any changes?

    Exactly. This is what I was saying for how pro-lifers feel about abortion. The problem is, we each got confused about how "consequence" was being used! I was talking about the Consequence OF the abortion, not the consequence WHICH IMPACTS THE LIVES OF pro-life people. So while pro-life people consider the death of the life to be an undesirable consequence of abortion, you consider the death of the shop keeper to be an undesirable consequence of the actions of the criminal. Do you see now?
     
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    Questions can never be silly just because you don't have an answer to them! HERE is the answering that you were looking for: It is based on MORALS! To believe that laws are not based on morals, is beyond ignorant! The funny thing is, you yourself DO make a moral argument for abortion! You've been making a moral argument this whole time haven't you?

    The government does not regulate the health system? Surely you can't be serious.

    Well which is it? Is it right or is it wrong?

    Of course it is a fact, but you would say that it is wrong that the reporter was killed for being inconvenient wouldn't you?

    Then how can you use the physical harm/self defense argument?
     
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    Just what I brought up previously.


    Death is an undesirable consequence of life, but unavoidable. While it would be nice if people would plan and become pregnant by choice, I find legalizing abortions preferable to the consequences placed on society to care for unwanted children or parent(s) who are incapable of providing for and raising a child.
    I believe Niger has very strict abortion laws, and the highest growth rate to boot.
     
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    :roflol::roflol::roflol:
     
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    When it's born...….or if he grows it for nine months inside his body....:)
     
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    You mean like in NSW where you can get an abortion on demand despite the laws saying it is illegal

    You really should do some research on this you know
     
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    Yes, questions can be silly when the answer is obvious.

    You asked why infringing on other's rights is wrong.

    Do you know the meaning of the word "right"? It's a protection for us against others abusing us. We have a right to life (as BORN persons) and if we didn't have a right to that there would be chaos in society.

    It might regulate the system but it doesn't regulate what a medical condition is.


    I stated : ""Yes, rightly or wrongly humans have always decided that if someone is INCONVENIENT they can be killed.""

    You'd have to state a circumstance...



    I would....others obviously wouldn't.



    You stated : ""Do you think that the only reason that women have abortions is because they believe that the fetus is causing them physical harm?"""

    I responded: ""No, and I never said so.""

    Your response here isn't a logical response to my statement.

    I do NOT think the ONLY reason women have abortions is because they believe that the fetus is causing them physical harm.....I NEVER said that.


    I can use the self defense argument IF the fetus is ever deemed a legal person.

    NO one has the right to harm another without their consent.
     
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    And an appalling infant and maternal mortality rate
     
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    How would that be improved by legalising abortion in Niger?
     
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    Wouldn't you say that morals applied to making abortion legal? You would certainly say that abortion being made illegal would be immoral wouldn't you?

    What does then?

    In what circumstance is it right to kill someone simply because they are "inconvenient?"

    But you DON'T believe that it is a legal person do you? So why are you using the self defense argument?
     
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    On demand? What stage in the term are you talking about?
     
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    Sorry, but basic biology disagrees with you! His identity is in the fetus! Your attempts at defying basic biology are pretty spectacular! :roflol:
     
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    Is that seriously your argument? :roflol: I actually thought that you were capable of much more than that! If a tree falls down due to a storm, is that not a consequence of the storm?
     
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    You didn't mention any changes. You just said, "In the end we are bound by the laws our elected/appointed members of government create for us, regardless of our opinions."
     
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    Mostly before viability after that they travel to Victoria but the vast majority of late term abortions are for foetal abnormality incompatable with life
     
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    I thought that you were talking about within NSW. Okay, so you make it sound so easy, just travel to Victoria to get an abortion. So why is it needed in NSW?

    Illegal to go to Victoria to have them? That's what you made it sound like.
     
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    You know there is a point where trolling becomes so obvious that it is not worth responding to
     
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    A while ago, repealing the 16th and 17th amendments.
     
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    Listen, this is NOT a complicated issue . The FACT is not everyone has the same "morals", "morals" vary from person to person.

    That's why law can't be based on "morals".

    Yes, I think it's immoral to kill people but that is NOT the reason murder is illegal.




    Science/scientists, the medical community, doctors,


    When they are harming you...being harmed is a great inconvenience...



    THIS is what I posted, please note the large blue word in the middle of the sentence.

    ""I can use the self defense argument IF the fetus is ever deemed a legal person...…."""


    Ya know, it's funny how many people in here never see that "if"...I bold it, make it bigger and they just don't see it....maybe the word "if" should have more letters, I don't know..(shrug)
    It's not a big word but it is used often so I'd hate to have the dictionary definition in every post where I use the word "if"....
     
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    I was simply making the point that the left don't care about abortion in the other states. You responded by saying that people can just go to other states which sounds more like something that someone would use to argue AGAINST abortion!
     
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    His DNA is in the fetus and the fetus is in the woman making it hers completely. Biology and I are in complete agreement...


    I really don't see your point. You can run around shouting , " it's his , it's his" but that changes nothing..he has nothing to say about and can do nothing about it.


    You claim the fetus is his. Does that mean you think he can force the women to gestate or get an abortion?
     
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