Almost Half of U.S. Births Happen Outside Marriage, Signaling Cultural Shift

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  1. Bluesguy

    Bluesguy Well-Known Member Donor

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    So you would have voted with the Southern states to count all of the black slaves instead of just some..............see if wasn't that hard for you to finally say how you would have voted.
     
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  2. Bluesguy

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    The North viewed slaves as property, but you are correct it was about the balance of power in the House. The Constitution does not make a difference between citizen and non-citizen when it comes to apportionment and even now we see that as Democrats want illegals to count.
     
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    I may be wrong but didn’t the south use the reasoning that they were akin to cattle which was why they didn’t get rights? All the rest you wrote I completely agree with
     
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    My issue is the south’s flip flop on the the definition of slaves they don’t get to vote or rights because they are cattle but as far as House of Representatives they count. Unless I’m mistaken at that time they didn’t count cows to determine the number of representatives. For the record people aren’t cattle but at that time it was a prevalent thought.
     
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    14th Amendment. Nobody is forcing anyone to be married, but all married couples should be treated the same.

    Why did you dodge the part about people getting married without any intention of having children? Did you see the holes in your own argument?
     
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    Dude, it's "we as a society" which are seeking to deprive Americans of their gun rights. Again, I see little difference between the authoritarians far Left and the authoritarian far Right. Both extremes are anti-American assclowns IMO.
     
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    It was a power play; the agricultural South would always have less people than the industrial North so they'd always be at a disadvantage in numbers.
     
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    Yep... and utterly hypocritical they couldn’t just change the definition based on whatever suited them
     
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    Change what definition? Of slavery? IIRC, they considered it the "natural order" of the time. No need for any change. Heck, even Washington and Jefferson had slaves.
     
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    Of a slave yes.. southern be like we can’t give them rights because they’re property yet when southerns realize what you stated earlier that they will never have the numbers of the north southerns argued that slaves should be counted when determining representation and those two beliefs don’t match one another.
     
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    How is it 'dictating' to say kids need two stable, committed parents?
     
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    Ah, yeah - obviously, when it comes to the welfare of children. I take it you don't? You prefer to see kids damaged by divorce?
     
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    Of course not .

    But I am practical enough to know that there is no way to stop people from divorcing AND that sometimes two people staying together ALSO can harm children.

    Just because two people marry and stay married does NOT mean their kids will be A-OK.

    And divorce doesn't send kids straight to crime and drugs and sex...


    YOU have stated that people are influenced by their parents. Well, then HOW do you plan on changing that? How will you develop perfect people if we're all influenced by our IMPERFECT parents?


    You are hoping for some Utopia that has never, and will never, exist
     
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    We can’t even talk about it because we don’t have a solution for it don’t ya know??? All seriousness though the first step in addressing problems or potential problems is to talk about it no? We talk about it to find solutions but no one is even allowed to talk about things anymore because even talking about it is offensive. I don’t believe having a discussion based on statistics should be be perceived as criticism and retaliated with open hostility. It’s everyones society and we’re all allowed a voice
     
  15. Bluesguy

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    The 2nd amendment, an actual right has nothing to do with marriage and nothing authoritarian in my statement.
     
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    yes, Republicans seem to be pushing Abstinence... and as we saw with Palin, that just wasn't realistic

    she had two children out of marriage, one while she was the abstinence ambassador - lol

    "Abstinence Advocate Bristol Palin Announces Second Unplanned Pregnancy"

    https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2015/06/bristol-palin-pregnant

    easy access to birth control is how you really reduce unwed pregnancy
     
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    So if we can't stop all we don't try to prevent many? Because there are a few families where children may be harmed we do not encourage and support and sanction any?

    But it sure gives them a much better chance.


    And now marriage must be perfection else let's just get rid of it altogether?
     
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    I reject the premise of your argument that since there will always be outside of marriage births we do nothing to encourage and support all children being born into a nuclear family. That is folly.
     
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    where did I say that, I said the real answer is easy access to birth control, not abstinence as like Palin says... abstinence is not realistic
     
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    I really don't care what Palin has to say despite your attempt to inject a red herring, but what is your other point with regards to the shift in births outside marriage and the cultural shift it is producing.
     
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    Just proof politics make assclowns out of everyone. :)
     
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    the people having children out of wedlock are often the poor that do not have easy access to birth control or the well off like Palin's family that believe in Abstinence

    Palin proved abstinence was not realistic (twice) once while being paid good money by the right to be the leader of the abstinence movement
     
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    Of course not .

    But I am practical enough to know that there is no way to stop people from divorcing AND that sometimes two people staying together ALSO can harm children.

    Just because two people marry and stay married does NOT mean their kids will be A-OK.

    And divorce doesn't send kids straight to crime and drugs and sex...


    YOU have stated that people are influenced by their parents. Well, then HOW do you plan on changing that? How will you develop perfect people if we're all influenced by our IMPERFECT parents?


    You are hoping for some Utopia that has never, and will never, exist






    "We" can do anything they please...but I'm a little too busy with MY life to go out campaigning to end divorce...most people DO have better things to do..


    YOU go right ahead but I have NO responsibility for anyone else's marriage....I'm too busy minding my own business....I don't expect anyone to butt into either my marriage or my divorce..





    Who said that? It wasn't me? Did you see that in a dream?

    I think you just posted that hyperbolic irrelevant crap to avoid addressing my :

    ""YOU have stated that people are influenced by their parents.
    Well, then HOW do you plan on changing that?
    How will you develop perfect people if we're all influenced by our IMPERFECT parents?



    You are hoping for some Utopia that has never, and will never, exist """
     
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    Were you not referring to a specific "behavior that society used to compel others to forego?"
     
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    So according to that so called 'libertarian' site, there is no right to engage in gay sex? I say so called, because if this is what it is saying, then the site owner can hardly call themselves a "libertarian!"
     

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