Again ...Palestinian terror Hamas fire rocket on Israeli city 'Beersheba'.

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  1. Poohbear

    Poohbear Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    The bible gives the story of the Jew's sojourn in the "Promised Land"
    from Abraham to Jesus. What part don't you believe?
     
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    Beersheba on Bulgarian means "he's ****ing a beer". True story. Use Google translate.
     
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    Actually, if I recall, they weren't so much "officials" but members of Hamas.
    Some of these were fairly senior - including commandos, observers and
    snipers.

    Haaretz reported that both of those killed were 23-year-old members of the
    al-Nukhba unit, an elite component of the Izzedine al-Qassam Brigades—
    the Hamas military wing. The dead were named as Abd al-Hafez al-Silawi
    and Ahmad Murjan.
    The newspaper said the Israeli shell hit Hamas’s Askelan military base during
    a graduation ceremony of fighters, injuring another six people. Senior Hamas
    officials were reportedly in attendance.
    https://www.newsweek.com/israel-kills-hamas-snipers-releases-footage-gaza-clash-1060790
     
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    I was referring to the missile strike on the Palestinian Journalism Office. Get a hold of yourself.
     
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    Ah the zionists first make up that the Jews were all ethnic cleansed from Muslim nations, when the fact is that it didn't happen. You lot do that, in order to justify that Jews ethnic cleansed Muslims in Israel as an eye for an eye thing. Notice... the word ethnic cleansed.

    And when that plan fails, it's switched to,... we had to do it, otherwise they would kill us... as in genocide... like them nazi's did to the Jews. But you lot got zero references that such a thing happened in any Muslim nation.


    So all that is left, is that the crime should not pay, and the people the Jews ethnic cleansed are presenting the bill.
     
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    I dunno why you're asking me to educate you for free, when you're to freaking lazy to google Palestinians on Wikipedia.

    Not my problem you're too lazy to look it up.
     
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    Oh I believe the Jews believe the story that their forefathers marched with their happy faces over the dead totally innocent Egyptian babies (thanks to their God), to the land of Canaan. And ones they got there, they killed every man, woman, child, the elderly and the sick... in order to thieve the land... which is justified since their God says so.

    That explains it all that the Jews of today thieve the land of Canaan, and kill who ever objects.
    It's right on par with the ISIS terrorists.
     
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    It's funny how it works with many people
    1 - all that "Promised Land" and Joshua stuff never happened, thus I am not a Christian.
    2 - Canaanite cities were found to be overthrown violently, thus I am not a Christian.

    This violence happened to the Jews too. Just look at their history of exile, slavery, pogroms
    and genocide since Jesus' time.
    God is a God of war - either fighting for the Jewish people, or against them. It's there in the
    history books.
     
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    My understanding is that Palestinians are Arabs. They occupied what is called
    Palestine after the Muslim conquest. Same as Egypt, actually.
    Re Beesheeba - I don't judge a conflict by an incident. If I did I could call to
    attention many things Arabs have done to Jews, to this very day.
     
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    How is this all relevant when Jews think it did happen, and believe their God even supports to commit genocide to thieve land?
    Really. Your reasoning is sound, but you are forgetting they are religious there.
     
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    Negative. They lived there since as long as people can trace back. They just integrated into the Arab customs when they appeared.
    You can look it all up on wikipedia.

    Yeah... real nasty to go downplay the ethnic cleansing of +700.000 civilians as "an incident".
    It is what it is. The Jews ethnic cleansed to thieve the land.
    A crime shouldn't pay.
    The bill is being presented.
     
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    Where do you get 700k from?
    There's a monstrous difference between people fleeing their land under
    the instruction of their mullahs, and half a million Jews driven forcibly out
    of their Middle East countries like Iran and Iraq. Jews here lived in these
    countries longer than Arabs lived in Palestine. They remain as refugees
    in Israel today - and no-one has a problem with that.

    There's an interesting web site which looks at each town in Palestine and
    what happened to the Arabs in 1948 and 1967. In most cases the people
    were either told to temporarily flee the Israeli occupation; took flight when
    false reports of Jews raping women emerged (even the journalists admitted
    this wasn't true, but they sought to dramatize the occupation) or were directly
    threatened by other Arabs if they did not pack up and leave.

    This wasn't the story of how the Jews left Arab countries.
     
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    Thank you. The IDF can kill as many terrorists as they like so far as I'm concerned. My sympathies lay with the ordinary Palestinians who have to pay the price of Hamas' activities; I just wish they wouldn't procreate to recklessly, then maybe things wouldn't be so bad for them.
     
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    I don't see the Palestinians kicking Israelis out of their homes - bulldozing their houses - and expropriating their land. Israel on the other hand does this on a regular basks and has earned the condemnation of the world for it.
     
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    No. It was the Romans who kicked out the Jews. As the bible foretold.
    Then Palestine became Christian.
    Finally the Muslims arrived and kicked out/converted Christians.
    Finally the Jews were granted a portion of Palestine by a UN mandate.
    This mandate was rejected by the Palestinians, and in the course of
    fighting the Jews, have gradually lost more and more of their land.

    The tragedy for Palestine is that two peoples have legitimate claims
    to the land. The tragedy for the Arabs is that they won't negotiate in
    good faith, and internationalize the issue.
     
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    Neither side negotiates in good faith - such is the nature of the blood feud. The fact that Israel agreed to the borders (regardless of what the Palestinians did) and then are violating that agreement proves they are not negotiating in good faith. Israel has no legitimate claim to the land they are stealing. Claiming - "The Bible predicted - regardless of whether this is true or not" is not grounds for legitimacy.


    Israel’s Settlements Have No Legal Validity, Constitute Flagrant Violation of International Law, Security Council Reaffirms

    https://www.un.org/press/en/2016/sc12657.doc.htm
     
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    You might be right on "settlements"
    But this isn't about Israeli "settlers". A pox on them, in fact.
    The issue is about the Jewish people having rights to **** some **** of their
    ancestral land so they are no longer in exile, slavery or potential genocidal
    situations whilst ensconced on other people's land.

    Don't want Jews in Palestine? Let's send them to say Iran or Poland. And then
    of course, we don't want Jews there, either.

    Jews have a moral right to their own land. They have a legal right under the
    auspices of the UN charter to their own land, for what it's worth.
     
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    That's to be found all over the place.

    Last time I checked, it was Iraq who banned Jews from leaving, but they left anyways. And it was Israel who arranged the flight out of Iraq when they lifted the ban. And according to the Israeli's own intelligence, about 5% left because their mullah's asked the Palestinians to leave. So it concludes the massive majority left because as a direct result of what the Jews did.

    Doubtful, since the Palestinians lived there before the Arabs came.

    You clearly got no clue what you're talking about.
     
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    There is no such right that somebody can claim I owe this part of land based on my ethnic background.
    Seriously. Where the hell did you find this racist filth your spewing now?
     
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    LOLOLOL

    You really haven't a friggin clue, do you.
     
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    Let me pop your zionistic bubble of fake news.


    Bernard Lewis writes:
    "Clearly, in Palestine as elsewhere in the Middle East, the modern inhabitants include among their ancestors those who lived in the country in antiquity."

    George Antonius, founder of modern Arab nationalist history:
    "The Arabs' connection with Palestine goes back uninterruptedly to the earliest historic times, for the term 'Arab' [in Palestine] denotes nowadays not merely the incomers from the Arabian Peninsula who occupied the country in the seventh century, but also the older populations who intermarried with their conquerors, acquired their speech, customs and ways of thought and became permanently arabised."
     
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    Israel called upon the Arabs NOT to leave.
    Yes, there were cases where Arabs were driven out, particularly
    in the town on the road to Jerusalem where many Jews died
    trying to get the road open. But in general no, the Arabs were not
    driven out. There were cases where Arabs were THREATENED
    by their compatriots if they did not leave.
    Evacuation was employed by the Arabs as a political weapon to
    force the Arab states and International community to condemn
    Israel. It backfired.
     
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    Trump admin was gonna be upset, but have made a new arms deal... sad

    .. and yes I am not serious, need a disclaimer with Trump as he could actually do something so stupid
     
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    So again. The Jewish people come from Palestine.
    They were exiled by the Romans.
    They suffered grievously in many of the nations that hosted them.

    Mohammed himself was one of the early Muslim Jew killers.

    Driving Jews out of Palestine doesn't solve anything because you
    would need to nominate which country should take them - places
    such as Egypt, Uganda and Australia have been suggested in the
    past. This would simply lead to the same ol' same ol' of Jew killing
    all over again.

    Ethnic claims to land are not racist. It is considered racism to deny
    ethnic claims to the land.
     
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    And no doubt that was true. We don't know how many native people merged
    with Arab conquerors. But soon enough all these people considered themselves
    Arab. And importantly, whoever was in Palestine prior to the Arabs were people
    who occupied the land after the Jews were driven out of it.

    As an aside. The native people were recognized by the Jews as legitimate
    owners. These Arabs never considered Jews legitimate owners, even when
    the first settlers purchased land from the Arabs in legal transactions.
     

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