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  1. ibshambat

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    My agenda is simple. I want men to be good to women; I also want women to be good to men.

    Right now, both sides are achieving the opposite outcome. Feminist leaders teach women to be ugly to men, and leaders of the backlash teach men to be ugly to women. That means that both sides are evil.

    As a loving father of a beautiful and intelligent girl, I do not want her to wind up a punching bag for some idiot. But neither do I want her to have the kind of experience that my former wife had, who experienced vicious bullying as part of a female-run social work organization. Both men and women are beings capable of choice. And that means, capable of both right action and wrongful action.

    If equality is what is wanted, accountability is a part of it. Female organizations bullying people are as bad as male organizations bullying people. If a woman chooses to be a jerk, then she should be held as accountable as a man who chooses to be a jerk. That is the meaning of equality.

    As for the people who accuse me of such things as misogyny, they are clueless. What they do not understand is that there is a strong backlash going on against feminism, and let me tell you these people are nasty. Their behavior in attacking people like me is similar to the behavior of some black people in inner city who attack white city liberals, accusing them of being racist when they are not. The bigger asses they make of themselves, the less credible becomes the case of the liberals, the greater the credibility and the power to actual racists. In making these kinds of attacks they alienate a crucial ally and leave themselves open to attack from real misogynists.

    Despite the abuse that I have been getting from feminists for years, I did not become a misogynist. I adopted the rational stance: That anything human is capable of choice, and anything capable of choice can be good or bad.

    Which means that it is imperative to incentivize rightful choices and confront wrongful choices, resulting in more men being good to women and more women being good to men.
     
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    You really don’t see your sexism and to me that is the most Insidious form of prejudice
     
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    Once again, a person who actually is sexist wouldn't mind being called sexist. He would say that God has meant it for women to be subservient to men.
     
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    I can't say I really understand. I didn't know if this was some trolling joke, or not. But meh. Was Eve "evil" when she gave Adam that fruity snack? Or, something, something, something?
     
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    Wouldn't it be more realistic and much easier just to teach your daughter how to deal with the world than trying to change the world?

    This is a big part of the problem these days. Too many people would rather try and change the world than learning how to deal with it as it is.
     
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    Since the world is a function of what people make of it, the answer is no.
     
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    Then it is pure foolishness to try and mold the world around your kid instead of teaching them how to deal with it.
     
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    Sadly, Liberals routinely threaten violence. This is a pattern.
     
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    Definitely, I and you support Gender Equality 100%. But misandrists are the enemy. For example the following:

    Fortunately our President understands that it is a dangerous time to be a man. The President has courage to defend men's Presumption of Innocence.

    Fortunately we have powerful allies.
     
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    And healthcare, don't forget healthcare.
     
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    I agree with Liberals on Welfare and Gun Control and Economy.

    I am against Liberal Identity Politics and censorship.
     
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    Whoa! I'm all for "Liberal Identity Politics and censorship". That's my entire belief system!!

    I mean "Liberal Identity Politics and censorship" is what I wake up to in the morning.

    I think "Liberal Identity Politics and censorship" should be for everyone!

    I think we can make a better world for all through " Liberal Identity Politics and censorship".

    :EDIT:

    Oh, I'll "like" your post cause it got me thinking...
     
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    Would you teach your daughter to stay in an abusive marriage rather than try and change her husband? I fought to change the world and my daughter has privileges and opportunities that I could never dream of
     
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    Talk to some women and you will find that one in four women has been sexually harassed or abused and one and six has been raped. You learn about a person by the side of the argument he defends
     
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    the bigger issue is most people do not actually practice what they preach...
     
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    You did a good job. My main concerns regarding the world that my daughter inherits are the state of the environment and the problems she would have to face either if she settles down with a man or decides to go it alone. There are dangers in both situations, and I want to make sure that in either situation she would be well.
     
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    I would be doing my daughter a grave disservice if I do not do what I can to make the world the best place for her and others.
     
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    Sometimes that is the case, sometimes it isn't. There was a case in Texas in which a man went to jail for rape and died in prison, only to have someone else confess to the crime. Closer to home, there was a situation in which a woman rushes into the room guns a-blazing accusing me of sending stacks of emails to her boyfriend whose email I did not even know. I also knew a man who went to jail for "beating up [his] wife's fist with [his] face." This kind of behavior discredits real victims and makes it harder for them to get justice.

    I believe that the leaders of feminism have the responsibility to demand in their followers a responsible behavior, and that means not crying wolf. If some women act this way, it feeds the claim made by the other side that women are liars. So it becomes necessary for feminist leaders to discipline women who do such a thing so that this perception not hold and real victims can get justice.
     
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    I acknowledge that women have many legitimate issues -- and feminists are fighting for female victims of DV and Sexual Misconduct.

    But it is men's moral duty to focus on male victims of abuse and discrimination such as

    -- male DV victims who are more likely to be arrested then helped
    -- male offenders getting 62% longer sentence for their gender

    If men would not advocate for them, no one will.
     
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    Of course the leaders of the feminist movement discourage anyone from a false charge. That is a crime and anyone who does that should be punished. But I think the problem is men who lie about sexually abusing women not the other way around. When one in four women falsely report man for sexual assault I will agree with you. Meantime I am more concerned about the man who sexually assault
     
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    All right Renee. I agree with what you are doing. But it is important that leaders of feminism make it clear that it is unacceptable to make false accusations, and that doing so hurts women who are being abused for real.
     
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    When have you ever heard a woman say that it is OK to make false accusations? Commonsense tells us that if a woman falsely charges aa man it hurts the cause. Sounds like you’ve created a strawman there
     
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    I've been talking about situations in which this has actually happened, so it's not a strawman. I am saying just what you have said: That if a woman falsely charges a man it hurts the cause. I appeal to you as a leader of feminism to reach out to your followers and tell them that such behavior is wrong.
     
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    I don’t know any feminist or anyone who says it is ok to lie about sexual abuse. If I were you I would be more concerned about all the men who sexually abused women and then deny it or brag about it and get elected president. Women rarely accuse men falsely...it’s a crime.
     
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    Yes, I want to see some sanity brought to this matter. Right now, real victims tend to be silent while many of the women who come forth are not real victims. Probably the hardest part is figuring out who are the good guys and who are the bad guys.
     

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