Christian bakery wins 'gay cake' ruling from UK supreme court

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  1. dixon76710

    dixon76710 Well-Known Member

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    The so called science of psychology, although, I wouldn't even consider it a science in its current form, let alone in the 1800s.
     
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    so what criteria was used?

    So you think the study of behavior is a conspiracy? So psychiatrists are Illuminati or are they men from Mars?
     
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    dixon76710 Well-Known Member

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    No, just not a science.
     
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    Polydectes Well-Known Member

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    Well this doesn't support your claim that they didn't use religion and politics as criteria for including how can sexuality in the DSM.

    It actually undermines that claim.
     
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    Sure it does. It was the field of study known as psychology that included it in the DSM. Even homosexuals were advocating its inclusion. Fact that I didn't consider psychology to be a science then or now doesn't change that fact. Turning what religion and politics considered a moral failing to be punished, into an illness in need of treatment and compassion.
     
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    Because people advocated for it for religious and political reasons not clinical psychological reasons.

    Simply being a homosexual does not make a person an expert in Behavioral Sciences.

    When the DSM 3 came out they used objective criteria they didn't base it on which political advocacy group screamed to the loudest.

    Since you pointed out that groups outside of the realm of Behavioral Sciences were advocating for the behavioral sciences to affirm some antecedently held position you have countered your own argument not mine.
     
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    I wasn't supporting my claim. The other posters source did that just fine.

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4695779/
     
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    that's correct you were supporting cd8ed's argument by pointing out that political advocacy and religious advocacy is the reason why homosexuality was included in the DSM.

    You made mention of a political advocacy group not of a psychological advocacy group.

    Again just because you are homosexual doesn't make you an expert in Behavioral Science.
     
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    If you say you are “done” as you have asserted numerous times here — you would cease responding when people call out your opinions as such.

    You are not “done here” as much as you want the last word and how dare anyone participate on an open forum against your wishes.

    You also don’t seem to understand what trolling is: “to make a deliberately offensive or provocative online post with the aim of upsetting someone or eliciting an angry response from them”

    You are the one debasing around 5% percent of the population into nothing but a sex act and ignoring facts as proven, so if anyone is trolling here - it is you.
     
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    cerberus Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    So tell me which facts I'm ignoring please? Oh and while you're at it, how I have 'debased' anyone.
     
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    Doesn't look like you are done to me.

    You don't have to respond.
     
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    cerberus Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Don't worry - I think my days here are numbered. I'm sure you're pleased to hear that?
     
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    Didn't read his link, did you? Precisely the opposite. Religion and politics viewed it as a moral failing to be punished. Psychology turned it into a mental disorder to be treated.
     
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    I don't read links. If you can't make an argument without assigning homework your argument fails. if there is something specifically in the link that supports your argument you should post the text in the post I'm not going hunting down your argument I don't care about your argument.

    incorrectly
     
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    Irrelevant to my point that it was psychology, not religion and politics that put homosexuality into the DSM
     
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    You haven't proven that.
     
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    I already explained how you are debasing others — I’m not sure what the quotation marks are for unless you have never heard that word used.

    The main fact you are ignoring is that homosexuality does not equal anal sex. Few lesbians practice it, many gay men do not practice it, and you would be surprised by the number of heterosexuals that engage in it. There are a few others I have seen that are sprinkled around your rants but I don’t feel like rehashing it so we will just stick with that one.
     
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    I don’t think anyone (in this thread at least) wishes you any ill will. We do wish you would attempt to become slightly educated on the topic instead of degrading people however.
     
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    Early Views of Homosexuality: From Sin to Crime to Sickness
    Early attitudes towards homosexuality in the Western world
    were rooted in Christian ideals. According to many popular takes on Christianity, sex was intended for procreation only; thus, homosexual acts were considered sinful since they could not result in reproduction. These religious attitudes carried over into secular law: by the 16th cen tury homosexuality had become a felony punishable by death in England
    (Morgan & Nerison, 1993).

    To argue that religious influence had nothing to do with the criminalization and ultimate clarification is absurd — even by you. There was zero analysis that placed homosexuality as meeting the basic definition of a mental illness, even at the very simplistic view at the time. Why do you believe it was classified as such?
     
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    The funny thing about this whole deal is he a credit something he believes to be a pseudoscience with coming up with this. I don't know how someone can be this ignorant. If you believe the study of behavior I eat the observat of it and the conclusion that it is at least to some degree predictable then you might as well insist the Earth is flat.
     
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    It’s the same with some Christians using Leviticus to justify their hate of gay people but then turn around and ignore the shellfish or fabric laws as “applying only to Jewish people”.

    The mental gymnastics they will jump through is interesting to say the least. I can understand most people’s position on most arguments, even if I don’t agree — as long as they are based on some definable spectrum — but stuff like this, I am a complete loss.
     
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    Yes, people have their own personal gods and interestingly about these gods never fail to agree with them completely.
     
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    Um. I use quotation marks when I'm er quoting a word or phrase somebody has used in their post so that their attention it drawn to it? Hope you don't mind??

    My references to it are only where it's relevant? If homosexuals don't practice it then I wish them well in their same-gender relationship - as Polydectes will tell you, incidentally. And I really don't know why lesbians should even think about AS, much less do it? And if heteros do AS, then my antipathy toward them is just the same as it is with homosexuals who might or might not do it do it. You seem hell-bent on making me come across as being homophobic, and I assure you I'm not. Some years ago I had a small hernia repair done by a homosexual surgeon, and if I got another one - indeed if I needed any related surgery - I'd ask him to do it for me. So stop with the hysteria and the insults. I never 'rant' (quotation marks are there because I'm quoting your word?), I only discuss respectfully. If what it say is a lie then I'll readily accept criticism, but if it's the truth but you don't want to hear it, then that's your problem; in fact it makes you a bigot if you object to, or attempt to silence me from opining that truth.[/QUOTE]

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    If I did degrade anyone then I apologise, and say it wasn't meant to be personal.
     
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    No, you simply haven't yet read the proof. Because you don't do links.
     

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