"Who's gonna pay for Medicare for all?" is either stupid or disingenuous

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  1. Lee Atwater

    Lee Atwater Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    A tax based, single payer system is the most efficient way to get medical care to everyone for the lowest cost.

    I suppose you can keep playing your juvenile question game if you don't want to discuss that fact.
     
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    squidward Well-Known Member

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    Efficient doesnt have to be tax based.
    You're looking for subsidies and price controls on others, for your personal benefit
     
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  3. ronv

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    I have a similar idea that would allow both business and private people buy into Medicare.
    I'd try it first with 55 to 65 year olds. I think you could leave the Advantage plan concept in tact to avoid totally killing the insurance companies.
    Once this ripples thru the system there would be enough extra money to pay for some subsidies for the poor.
     
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    ronv Well-Known Member

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    Who do you think is paying for the increased cost of steel? The steel fairy?

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    I don't understand how that would work. If there is a single payer system what is the option for those who wouldn't buy into "Medicare for All?"

    But my question is more fundamental. About 80% of the population has group insurance or unsubsidized individual insurance, and studies have consistently shown that about 90% are totally satisfied. An estimated 20 million eligible insurees are currently uninsured but half or so are satisfied being uninsured. So call it 12 million or so that are uninsured but want insurance. To fix a problem with 12 million people the plan is to eliminate all current insurance and go with a government run single payer system. That seems like swatting the annoying fly with a howitzer. That says the the single payer plan is not to improve health coverage but simply to give the central government significant more control or the individual.
     
  6. MAGA

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    I suspect the Socialist Left knows exactly what they're doing.

    The left wants the citizens their knees, and taking over healthcare is just a small part of it.
     
  7. MAGA

    MAGA Well-Known Member

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    Tell that to California.

    The legislature of California, the most Progressive and richest state in America, determined it would triple their budget and bankrupt the state.
     
  8. ronv

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    You need to ask employers their opinion. :)
    Employer based healthcare is part of the reason we got into this mess. People lost track of what was happening because they were insulated by their employer. But as employers shift more of that cost to their employees that number goes down. People that pay for their own are not as excited about it.

    Previous Gallup research suggests:

    Americans are largely positive about the quality of the healthcare they receive: Three-quarters of employed Americans (75%) said the healthcare they received was "excellent" or "good" in Gallup's last survey on the issue, in November 2017. There is little difference between U.S. workers and the overall public, among whom 77% rate their personal healthcare as "excellent" or "good."

    Satisfaction on the cost of personal healthcare is mixed: Just over half of employed Americans (54%) say they are satisfied with the total cost for healthcare they pay, modestly lower than the 61% of overall Americans who say they are satisfied with their care costs.

    Ratings of healthcare on a national level are substantially worse than personal: Gallup also asks Americans to rate aspects of overall healthcare in the U.S. More than half of U.S. workers (54%) and the same percentage of overall Americans rate the quality of the U.S. healthcare system as "excellent" or "good." On national healthcare costs, one in six (16%) American workers and one in five (20%) Americans in general say they are satisfied.

    https://news.gallup.com/poll/226607/news-americans-satisfaction-healthcare.aspx

    As far as those who choose not to join, I have mixed emotions. Part of me says f'em let them die in the gutter if they get sick. But the better angel says if they can afford it but don't get it - tax them.
     
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    What a stupid thing to say. Follow like you are? Lead like Trump leads? How about we do something by keeping a lid on him so that he doesn't do something that we all will regret. He has not made more progress than the last 2 presidents, except to divide our country and encourage racism. He has made much progress doing that. "So I don't like Trump, we understand that" is an irrelevant remark and accomplishes nothing. My son also turned down a car because it wasn't cool enough. That makes 2 of 'em.
     
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    Translation: Gimme more free ****
     
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    I see nothing wrong with most doctors being Federal Government employees.
     
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    While many people approach the issues of Welfare and Medicare from the abstract economic side, for millions of people in USA this is about their Right to Life.
     
  13. 3link

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    Don’t worry. Some of us have plenty of brain cells to spare.

    And would Medicare for all necessarily cover illegals? I think all means all citizens. Or it should at least.
     
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    As I have mentioned, "In 2012, US prisons and jails housed 356,268 inmates with severe mental illness."

    For these people absence of Medicare meant loss of Liberty in the most direct way.
     
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    Not sure where to start with that. How about this. Would you like medical doctors to have the same approval ratings as Congress?
     
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    I guess private doctors can co-exist with state sponsored doctors.

    Unfortunately many people can not afford any medical help at all. Usually these are people most in need of help.
     
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    Thats a whole lot of insanity for an enlightened godless liberal culture that was supposed to fix all those problems

    Giving them unearned Medicare benefits is not the answer
     
  18. CCitizen

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    Insanity is most likely an innate condition. The data is here. In USA, 44 million adults have a mental disorder, and 10 million of them have a severe mental disorder.
     
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    And massive fewer medications and fewer services too.
     
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    You want lack of medical care for senior and they being left to die then turn it over to the government.
     
  21. CCitizen

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    I believe everybody should have high quality medical care -- both the disabled and senior citizens.

    I am only 47, but I have Depression, and Autism.
     
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    They could but the progs wouldn’t allow it.

    Dr.’s aren’t all jerks. In fact many are willing to help for nothing. Government isn’t the only answer.
     
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    The only thing Trump has done to divide the country was to show up and win the election. He hasn't said anything or taken any divisive action to separate blacks from whites, rich from poor, women from men, insured from the uninsured, eastern elites from mid-westerners -- all of which Obama made concerted and overt efforts to do.
     
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    And yet here you are posting.
     
  25. Robert

    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Correct. Those blaming Trump are silly.
     

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