A Northern California fire is growing at a rate of about 80 football fields per minute

So what's trumps gripe all about? He's a bully and a liar.

 

The Trump administration has increased controlled burns (aka prescribed burns) on federal land to 200,000 acres and by 2021 it will be increased to 500,000 acres per year.

There is a Catch-22, the Democrat controlled House of Representatives hold the purse strings.

 

Serves no purpose to speculate...

 

This is ignorance of forest management...no one is going to SIMPLY GO OUT and 'thin out brush and forests'...this is preposterous!

You are clueless what happens when an abundance of fuel exists, there are high winds, and something sparks a fire...absolutely pathetic...

 

I am 100% sure! The worst fire in US history is going on in NoCal right now and zero water has been diverted from that area...same with the Malibu area and Santa Rosa, CA area one year ago...

 

ha ha ha. i guess you've never driven on a road in los angeles county. potholes big enough to house a family of 5 illegal aliens...

 

During YOUR so-called controlled burns across millions of acres of forest, what do you propose to do about the millions of people, and houses, and schools, and businesses that are located in these areas? BTW; 60% of CA forest is managed by the federal government.

When you politicize critical events/issues like this one you drag everything into the gutter...mindless...

 

There are potholes across the US on every major road and in every major city...what's your point?

 

what do you call controlled/prescribed burns? What do you think they're doing?

 

you said "to think CA is too stupid to manage their own resources is a joke."

they have some of the worst roads in the country. and cali drivers pay more to drive on those shitty roads than just about any other state. so i'd say it is quite a fair statement to say that ca is too stupid to manage their own resources.

 

What about them? We do them several times a year in here in Arizona, people carry on with life.

That is great that is controlled and managed by the feds. That dosn't change anything.

 

No one has a problem with controlled burns in remote forest land.

There are however huge problems when you wish to do controlled burns in forested areas in which millions of people live and work...

 

Flagstaff and the areas around there , do that and there is no problem.

 

Managing resources does not mean solving 100% of problems.

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/06/28/the-10-states-most-in-need-of-an-infrastructure-overhaul.html

IMO all US states have crumbling infrastructure but to debate CA you will need to break it down between local jurisdiction, county jurisdiction, state jurisdiction, and federal jurisdiction.

And you can thank your federal government for having one of the lowest fuel taxes in the world over decades now...

 

nor did i claim it did.

you can try to move the goalposts now, but it was your statement and you have been proven wrong. the fact is cali had to pass TWO constitutional amendments to make politicians stop stealing highway funds for their pet projects. and they STILL did it. but the idiot voters in cali get what they deserve i suppose.

 

CA has 40 million population! AZ is not CA!

Do you know there is a scenario for San Diego, the entire city from the desert to the ocean, to burn to the ground? And they don't have dense forests!

The ONLY way to allow tens of millions of Americans to inhabit any areas of the US that have significant amounts of vegetation is to 1) ban droughts, and 2) remove all of the fuel...

 

No matter what you think they are doing, as long as there is fuel, if there is drought, if there are high winds, and something sparks...you are going to have a raging fire! So what actions would you like to take? Remove all the fuel? Ban drought? Ban high winds? Not allow any sparks?

 

There is nothing whatsoever that could have prevented the current NoCal and Malibu fires...nothing!

 

moving the goalposts again. ok we're done here.

 

https://news.nationalgeographic.com...a-extinction-endangered-species-drought-fish/

"But now most of that water is exported: 70 percent of California's water originates in the north, while more than 70 percent of the demand for it lies in the south. The flow quenches the thirst of two-thirds of the state's residents and three million acres of irrigated crops such as vegetables, citrus, grapes, and grains."

Look at the "effects of drought" diagram (its the second one). See how it says 70% of the water originates in the north but 70% of the demand is in the south?
How do you suppose that demand is serviced? Have you never heard of the delta smelt?

 

These fires from the "Santa Ana winds" are a recurring problem, every year these wind-driven fires sweep across acres of very dry brush and cause tremendous losses. The problem grows as development proceeds farther into the area. If the area can't be irrigated so the brush isn't so dry, unless they clear it all away, this will continue to happen every year. People shouldn't build houses in remote locations surrounded by very dry brush which seasonally catches fire. The lack of water in the area is a problem, I don't think they should take water from farmers to keep these areas adequately irrigated, I also expect the more environmentally sensitive would be concerned about artificially changing this environment adding water that is not naturally there. Maybe landowners in these dry areas could be required to install an irrigation system that could be activated in the fire season? Another possible solution is to finance a substantially improved fire-fighting force.

 

https://dpw.lacounty.gov/landing/wr/watersupply/importedWater.cfm

Again, makes no difference all this water regarding fighting forest fires??

 

Unless you wish to build vertical in all urban and rural-urban areas, and I mean affordable housing, growth will push people into the rural areas. Major problem in the world and areas of the US is population growth so people are located everywhere. I live in one of those areas and we constantly worry about fires! With drought conditions, lots of fuel, sustained high winds, and a spark caused by any number of reasons, these become raging fires. During the first few days of these horrific fires firefighters can only work to get people to safety...very little firefighting. Within 2-3 days major destruction and lives lost and we're all talking about it speculating what can be done? Extremely complex issue with no easy answers...

 

Yes, these are fast moving fires, the affected areas feature nice green trees over totally burned grass and bushes, the wind sweeps the flames on and the trees survive (its why I think clearing the brush would help).

 

Im in a semi rural enclave in so cal with the typical coastal sage scrub/chaparelle of the southern state.

There are laws about clearance of both trees and grass. But it only gets green here once every 3 or 4 years.

And the few areas with dense oak coverage like around here rarely are allowed to burn. It messes with air quality standards...and endangered species legislation you see.

In mexico which is just.over an hour away, the firefighters let it burn.

But the left is determined to stop nature from being nature.

A law will fix things because feelz.

Death toll is almost 50 up in jefferson I heard today.