Climategate, the sequel: How we are STILL being tricked with flawed data on global warming

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  1. Robert

    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Why complain when you don't use science terms?
     
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    Let me add that climatology is not rocket science and expert opinion can be found in nearly all of the accredited universities in the world, any science related “cabinet” position of any democracy in the free world and any of the related major corporations. Heck, catch them on a good day and even Exxon will give the whole truth and nothing but.
     
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    If you actually believe your discussion of derivatives fooled me, guess again. That is basic calculus.
     
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    I do when appropriate. You just don’t recognize them. Discrete, rate of change, acceleration, all math related terms uses in climate change. You really don’t seem to remember any math term related to climate change...” grab” too funny.
     
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    We can tell by observing that climate varies all over the globe this is not one system but a collection of many systems.

    Now tell us why we ought to have our hair on fire over this?

    Why do scientists whom this is their field tell us to hold our horses on this alarm business?
     
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    You are so intent on putting posters down as opposed to informing them you make a mockery of your alleged science. You think tossing about several terms means you get it and we are stupid.
     
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    And climate change only uses basic calculous to understand. . Where have you been. So what is the third derivative of the position function ?
    You really don’t understand do you; climate “ change” is concerned with the rate of change of the climate, not that it simply is changing. That’s where you frauds are consistently wrong.
     
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    Climatology certainly isn't particle physics, but it seems wholly out of reach for those who simply don't want to know.

    For Exxon, sure they'll admit it, when they're not busy producing misinformation, much like Phillip Morris did with cigarettes.
     
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    What scientist from where tell us to hold your horses ? Identify them. Otherwise, is no more is germaine then one of Trumps , “people said” ..
     
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    When I encounter such rudeness, there is no purpose to engaging them.
    In physics, jerk is the rate of change of acceleration; that is, the time derivative of acceleration, and as such the second derivative of velocity, or the third time derivative of position.
     
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    Dr. Richard Lindzen and Dr. Judith Curry are two.

    If you think you teach, you do not since your motive clearly is to taunt and insult.
     
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    Just listening to them make up s.h.i.t is funny.
    Exxon will admit to the truth in public but do whatever they can to maximize profits short term. Mean while, all energy corps see the writing on the wall.
     
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    Bingo, where they spend their dollars is the ultimate truth telling device.
     
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    Now at least be honest and admitt that climate change is more a function of the rate of change of climate and not just the change in temperature. The loss of species due to changing climates is not a big deal. That we are loosing them so rapidly as is now occurring which puts pressures on our own for survival, is of concern. Start talking in those terms and forget about things like, “ man being in control” of the climate, and maybe serious people will take you seriously .
     
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    Here, here !
     
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    It’s not just in physics. Rate, acceleration and change of acceleration is in all disciplines, even the weather.

    Btw, it’s more rude to insult people’s intelligence by just dismissing what all the accredited institutes do in the name of science as political in nature . Its as rude as dismissing the work they do as calling all the mainstream media the enemy of The people.
     
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    Stop talking to me like that. I do not recall stating it is just a change of climate nor discussed the rate of change. I have not addressed the loss of species.

    I do not take rude people serious. I was not talking to scientists but of scientists who say let's hold all the recriminations and let's pursue this rationally.

    Were you taught using your system by your teachers? Did they mock you pal?
     
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    I did not state it only applies to physics.
     
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    Show where I did that to the accredited institutes. I am saying the politicians are doing it to this country.
     
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    Doing what ? Telling all the research scientists at the accredited institutes what to say on their websites and in their studies ? That’s a confusing answer. If you want information on climate change, go directly to researcher’s Web site. It’s not politicians that give the final reports and write the web sites...they’re not that smart ..
     
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    Sounds like that is the POV you defined it from.,
    Instead of physics, it apples to all areas of science. That’s an answer you would get if you googled then just wpacceoetd the answer they gave.


     
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    I have directly communicated with Dr. Richard Lindzen and have accepted his advice. Also check to see if Dr. Curry is alarmist and she is not. Both are that smart.
     
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    You’ve already come in with the preconceived notion of being a denier and are now communicating with “one.” All you’ll get are your feet rubbed by a fellow denier. You’re working in that less then three percent of nonsence .

    ‘ both are smart” ? In science, that’s the wrong approach to believing anyone on anything.
    The team approach as illustrated by institutional consensus, ALWAYS gives science the most reliable information.

    Science is so complicated, no one has the right answer. It’s a consensus, of people in different areas as climate study encompasses far more then what a few people can understand.

    You keep striking out in your claim to be a science person.
     
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    That is your view. A strange one too.
     
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    Dr. Lindzen for instance told me how to obtain his 245 papers so I did that. He is no denier. I do not deny climate changes. I defend the view it changes.
     

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