Republicans suffered worst House midterm defeat in U.S. history based on popular vote

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  1. MrTLegal

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    https://www.newsweek.com/republicans-midterms-popular-vote-worst-ever-1226441

    The predicted and expected #BlueWave hit 2018 like a truck.

    Since that point, Trump has reacted to that "massive victory" by attacking and insulting the US military, attacking and insulting the US judicial branch, attacking and insulting US legislators, attacking and insulting US journalists, defending dictators after they murdered US permanent residents, and defending his daughter for engaging in the same behavior for which he attempted to force his justice department to prosecute his political opponent.

    The truth is that the #BlueWave was propelled by the #BlueTide that will continue for years.

    Tell your friends.
     
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    Yeah, it's sad to see a sinking ship.
     
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    No one couldn't make a post that sounded more like it came from a political organization if they tried. Its literally the exact same posts that show up as "positive" comments for products and you realize that it came from an employee that works for that company. For crying out loud at least try and sound like something other than a paid shill.

    Tell your friends......LOL
     
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    You can choose to ignore it of course and seal yourself off from reality....you will simply be completely unprepared when the next dump truck crashes into you. The current Republican party might have 1 more decent cycle left, maybe not even that.

    But in the long run, the party will need to moderate in order to survive. The longer it is postponed, the worse the losses will become.
     
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    The GOP recognises that it's increasingly difficult to capture the popular vote if it keeps its current set of policies which is why it is doing an excellent job of making sure that:
    • As few Democratic Party supporters are able to vote as possible through voter suppression
    • They get the majority of House and State Legislature seats in states they currently control even if they don't manage to win the popular vote
    As a result, the GOP will still be electorally competitive for at least a generation even if they regularly lose the popular vote by 10%
     
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    Tell your friends is a reference for @TheGreatSatan who had that response for every single thread which supported the notion that a #BluWave was approaching in 2018.
     
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    You should add on the ability to control the designs of districts with each census. That fact alone helps to explain the disparity between vote total and the number of seats won in the states like North Carolina and Wisconsin.
     
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    So the big news is that there are more citizens in this country now then in the past and as such there are more people voting for both parties?
     
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    Exactly. A meaningless and desperate attempt to put lipstick on a pig.

    The Blue Wave was just a small shore break.

    Obama suffered a far worst shellacking in 2010, but the obsessed propagandists are twisting into pretzels to try and spin and deny it.
     
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    ....this is a really **** excuse.

    First off, this is a record DEFEAT, i.e. the DIFFERENCE in the votes cast, not the total.

    Second, there have been "more people" in every midterm since 1974 and yet the largest defeat in terms of the midterm popular vote took place two weeks ago.

    Excuses are the nails to build a house of failure. One currently being overseen by Trump.
     
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    Obama's losses in 2010 were mostly derived from the fact that the coalition which elected him stayed home. The turnout for the 2010 midterms was approximately 86.9 million whereas the 2008 election had a turnout of around 120.7 million. That's a dropoff of roughly 34 million voters.

    By contrast, the 2018 election had a total turnout of around 113 million compared to a 129.8 million voters in 2016. That's a dropoff of roughly 17 million, which is fully 50% less than the dropoff experienced from 2008 to 2010.

    2018 was not a matter of trump voters staying home. It was a #BlueWave that resulted in the single largest midterm defeat, in terms of the popular vote for the House, in US election history.

    And Trumps loses in swing states like Pennsylvannia, Arizona, Georgia, Nevada, and Michigan combined with the fact that Trump has never had an approval rating above 50% (and the sheer multitude of ****ups that he has done just in the last two weeks will help ensure that never happens), there is every reason that the #BlueWave is more accurately a #BlueTide.

    Tell your friends.
     
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    How does excuses change the facts? Explain that.

    Obama, his administration, and the Democratic party received an historical shellacking (Obama's words, not mine) at the 2010 midterms.

    The loss of 40 house seats, combined with a failure to take the Senate, proves the 2018 election results don't begin to approach the 2010 shellacking.

    Why you're trying to claim otherwise is mystery that can only be explained by never ending propaganda Progressives put out by the hour.
     
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    The Trump Cult cannot confront the reality that their messiah has been persistently, relentlessly, unpopular with Americans. He is the only president in the modern era whose job approval ratings have never been over 50 percent, according to Gallup.

    In his recent hyped "Red Wave!" midterm election in which he had brayed that he was on the ballot, and then whined that he had not been on the ballot, he got his flabby arse soundly kicked, notably in Michigan, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin, states where his 2016 meagre margins were essential for his electoral college win.

    Younger, better-educated Americans, increasingly diverse racially and ethnically, with a more representative percentage of women, are supplanting the fading White geezers who are in the midst of their last hurrah.

    The handwriting is on the wall (that they probably believe was paid for by Mexico.)
     
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    Gee, whatever happened to all that "winning" ?
     
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    The republican party holds control of the senate, with enough individuals to confirm whatever judge Donald Trump appoints for whatever position, with opposition from the democrat party now being impossible.
     
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    Republicans have a yooj advantage in the Senate where relatively few folks in a rural, sparsely settled state carry the same weight as far greater numbers of Americans in the most populated. If Senate Republicans continue to grovel under trumpery, there is nothing that Democrats can do about judicial appointments.
     
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    They are so happy about winning the house they keep forgetting what a Senate can do (and what they can block from the house).
     
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    They're not going to become "more moderate". They're getting more extreme. More racist, more homophobic, more misogynistic (they even managed to lose female seats during this last cycle), more ignorant and ultimately more violent. And don't blame trump....all trump has done is illuminate very clearly what new republicans truly are. He empowered them to "show themselves" where before they would try to pretend they weren't what decent Americans knew they truly were.

    In that light, trump has been a good thing. The new republican party is an extinct, dying, screaming thing...and that's why its becoming more extreme and vehement in its last throes. Real conservatives have already left the party and become Independents. And I'm hoping that those disenfranchised people will form a Conservative Party that represents Conservative values without the hate and racism. A party of intellectual Conservatives with an inclusive attitude and true vision for the country that provides the necessary checks and balances to the Progressive side of the country.

    The new republicans and trump cultists need to be shunned, reviled and wiped out of government. They are the disgusting underbelly and the shame of America. It can't happen soon enough. And if trump is helping to bring that about quicker...that's the only positive thing that's come out of the horrific racist rant of his infestation of the White House.
     
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    Simply because more people voted, more people become eligible to vote every year. The question should be about percentages. This year it was 53.1% Democratic to 45.1% republican. An 8 point win for the Democrats, thanks in most part to independents who voted 54-42 for Democratic congressional candidates. independents had gone 51-47 in 2016 for the GOP, 52-46 GOP in 2014, 50-48 in 2012 and 56-37 in 2010.

    Now over all the Republicans won the 2010 congressional vote 52-45 over the Democrats, a 7 point difference. In 2008 the Democrats gained an 53-43 win, a ten point difference. Bigger percentage wise than this year's 8 point spread. 2006 provided a 52-44 spread again for the Democrats, an 8 point spread which matches this years. In 1994 the republicans had an 8 point margin, again matching this year's.

    Now we have seen quite a large swing in how independents vote as noted in my first paragraph. If the Democrats want to keep independents voting their way, best not to ignore them. In 2006 independents voted Democratic 57-39, yet four years later independents went Republican 56-37. That's quite a swing. They could swing again in 2020 or 2022 or later. It all depends on whether independents view the new Democratically controlled house as doing America's business or just doing the Democratic Party's agenda business. What independents give, they can take away.
     
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    The popular vote has as much legal relevancy as the potato vote.
     
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    Its really hard to get a majority and get stuff passed when you are behind on popular support by a 53 - 45 margin.
     
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    Only insofar as that lack of popular support implies future defeat in districts. Which you cannot tell at all from that figure. Further analysis is required.
     
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    Unless Trump approvals rise from the 43% level, I don't see Republicans doing any better in 2020 as they did in 2018. If a democrat is elected in 2020, that might change up a few things in 2022.
     
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    Trump was elected on 37.5% approval.
     
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    Against an opponent with 40% approval.
     
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