Global Warming My Arse

In "true science" we actually believe that water is wet and do not debate this fact on the basis of existential gibberish. "Maybe it is all just a dream and nothing is real"

 

It's not quite that simple though. When lofted into the atmosphere in excess it does more to increase the global mean temperature than it does to increase biomass. There is a tipping point where the higher temperatures have a large negative impact than the increase in CO2 has a positive impact. Vegetation simply cannot evolve and adapt fast enough especially particular vegetation types that humans need to survive. Some of our crops will actually benefit from warmer temperatures. Most will not. There's a similar problem going on in the oceans. Ocean warming and acidity is rising faster than some types of aquatic life can adapt to. Again, it's the not the fact that the climate is changing that is the problem. It is that the climate is changing too quickly and that humans are far more dependent on a static climate today than they were a thousand years ago.

Because it is a tragedy of the commons problem.

 

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BS. There isn't a climate on Earth that man hasn't adapted to. A few degrees one way or the other wouldn't be much of a challenge.

 

Is there a big conspiracy then?

 

So...

1. How is the troposphere warming?
2. How is the hydrosphere warming?
3. How is the stratosphere cooling?
4. How is that #1, #2, and #3 are occurring

 

It is "unequivocal" in regard to the science of anthropogenic climate change that is "unambiguous; clear; having only one possible meaning or interpretation."

That does not exclude variations in specific projections based upon credible evidence, nor does it mean "irrefutable."

If compelling scientific evidence that the consensus is wrong were ever to be presented, that evidence would be assessed and, if merited, the consensus would be reassessed.

 

There is always more to learn when it comes to our natural world. And, we can know various portions of our natural world without knowing everything. Scientists can and have figured out that earth is warming and what is causing that. But, that doesn't mean they know everything there is to know about climate change.

Any problem of this magnitude is solved through politics if it is solved at all.

It would be great if solving it were to be profitable. Then, free market capitalism would help. But, it has been hugely rewarding to MAKE this problem.

 

Gee who'd a thunk it. Another flat earther without a clue. It is sad when someone's argument is so weak they have to resort to deception. Climatologist did not build that spacecraft. Climatologists had noting to do with that spacecraft. It was built and controlled by engineers. Engineers will provide data for scientist to study.

 

I get what you are saying. I don’t believe we will get to the point where warming is so detrimental to agriculture that anyone will starve that a government somewhere doesn’t want to starve. I’ve raised food in diverse climates my whole life and I’m pretty good at it. Thanks to science and producer ingenuity we are in no danger. You’ve said before warming will be greatest towards the poles. This will increase arable land. Sure, they say weather events will be more extreme but that really isn’t anything new. In the last 15 growing seasons where I live we’ve had the hottest, coolest, almost wettest and the driest summers on record and over those 15 years average production has increased by 60-70% depending on the crop. In only the coolest season were yields significantly under a 5 year average.

I don’t think plants on the non crop side of the equation would have to evolve naturally as the diversity we have now would react positively to warmth, increased CO2 levels, and increased water vapor in the atmosphere.

Genetic technology is poised to make growing crops in adverse conditions even easier. If people were actually in danger of starvation regulations on genetic engineering could be relaxed and advances would come exponentially faster than allowed today. If science is our god, it’s certainly a powerful one if we choose to use it for more than just demonizing fossil fuels.

People may value creature comforts more now but we are still adaptable. And if one adheres to the evolutionary model a little extra selection pressure on the human population wouldn’t necessarily be a bad thing. We’ve gotten pretty soft...

Yes we have an interesting ironic dichotomy. We are told we must choose between a horrible death from climate change or horrible deaths from starvation in the undeveloped world, unrest and rioting in the developed world, and likely aggression from the developing world from lack of energy to drive economies.

Just a question for you iamanonman because you’re knowledgeable about more theories than I, what’s your cliff notes version of the mechanisms and time periods involved in the depositing of all that organic matter as fossil fuels. It would have had to be much more dramatic that our release back into the carbon cycle.

 

Well let’s keep learning and hope enough people are scared enough to relinquish freedom to an authoritarian government that will force them to do what they could do of their own volition. Sounds like a plan.

It is so sad as far as we’ve come as humans in the last several hundred years that we still crave rule. We have technology, science, and information sharing yet we still want to behave like feudal serfs. Delegating all but mundane decisions of everyday life to those we consider our superiors. Very sad indeed.

The point of many of my posts has been that capitalism likely could solve it. There is no desire to solve it. It’s too useful to too many people the way it is.

 

It certainly does not have only one possible meaning or interpretation.

Yeah, that really worked in economics after the GFC, didn't it? The handful of economists who accurately predicted the crisis have been even more ruthlessly expunged from the peer-reviewed journals and tenured professorships since the crisis than they were before.

 

The revelatory aspect of antropogenic climate change deniers, an ilk peculiar to the US, is that they all adhere to the same ideological dogma.

 

I don't know. Tell me how you're going to reverse it. Carbon Credits? It's a tax and a license to pollute, but mostly just a tax.
Like in Californian think - they'll tax gas, people will use less, and the air will be cleaner. California now has the worst air pollution in the country and the most expensive fuel. I hear the climate on Mars is warming. Who are you going to blame that on?

 

But a .0003% voter fraud rate - with zero demonstrable cases of ID fraud - means we should all panic and pass draconian (and suppressive) voter ID laws? Ri-i-i-i-ght. Wake up and smell what you're shoveling.

Amazing, ain't it, how those particular lines of thought seem to fall under one ideology?

 

A voter I.D. card is draconian and suppressive? Hyperbole much? You panic at the sight of Trump's name written in chalk and need special counseling, crayons and a safe space.

 

And your hypocrisy - or cognitive dissonance - shines on for all of us to see...

 

Does that mean, until we reassess the merits, we should fight yet another world war because of it, like Eugenics? only to find that the science was BS?

 

That would likely be the Republican solution...

 

One of the more peculiar aspects of the orthodox members of the AGW crowd are their interesting uses of the English language. Antropo, meaning dive bar.. genic meaning causative. So, divebars caused denial. I have to say, I laughed. But probably not for the right reason for Natty.....

 

Goofy. Seriously. But then, who can tell who is programming chat bots these days....

 

Embrace the evolution of the biosphere... We still can't find any environmentalists willing to sacrifice enough to appease their deity. Ted Kaczynski is a notable exception.

 

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/11/28/epa-trump-next-climate-study-992872

So.........more shredding to come.

 

gonna be 60 degrees in the Northeast this weekend.

December

 

Must be global warming. Just like the Thanksgiving bitter cold a week ago was global warming. They haven't attributed the Alaska earthquake to global warming yet, but just give them a couple of days.