ISIS killed Americans and the Trump administration is tone deaf

“We have won against ISIS,” Trump declared in a video posted Dec. 19, adding, “Our boys, our young women, our men — they’re all coming back, and they’re coming back now.”

On Jan. 10, during a speech at a university in Cairo, Secretary of State Mike Pompeo detailed America’s concept of its role in the Middle East, saying the United States would be more active in the region even as Trump’s plan to pull troops out of Syria proceeds. Huh? Say that again. Trump's plan is to become more active by becoming less active?

Pompeo was not finished making a fool of himself. Pompeo vowed to “expel every last Iranian boot” from Syria, but declined to explain how the United States would do that by withdrawing from Syria. This guy is our secretary of state? Where did Trump get this jerk?

Jan. 16, Four Americans were among 19 people killed on Wednesday in a suicide bombing in northern Syria that was claimed by the Islamic State, just weeks after Trump ordered the withdrawal of United States forces and declared that the extremist group had been defeated. The Syrian Observatory for Human Rights put the death toll at 19.

The attack targeted a restaurant in the northern city of Manbij where American soldiers would sometimes stop to eat during their patrols of the area, residents said. After the blast, a number of Americans were evacuated by helicopter, they said. It was not immediately clear how many had been in the area at the time of the blast.

Trump's golf buddy and good friend, Republican Sen. Lindsey Graham, stated, "My concern, by the statements made by President Trump, is that you set in motion enthusiasm by the enemy we're fighting. You make people we're trying to help wonder about us. And as they get bolder, the people we're trying to help are going to get more uncertain. I saw this in Iraq. And I'm now seeing it in Syria."

Jan. 16, a couple hours after the ISIS-claimed attack killed US service members in Syria, Vice President Mike Pence declared that "the caliphate has crumbled and ISIS has been defeated." Pence's press secretary Alyssa Farah tweeted Wednesday morning that he had been briefed and that he and Trump were "monitoring the situation."

A White House official said the administration had not "publicly confirmed the deaths at the time (Pence) spoke," even though the coalition against ISIS tweeted a message confirming there had been US deaths nearly an hour before his speech.

A senior foreign affairs official said the Trump administration was tone deaf.

 

Are you happy with yourself? Do you feel better now?

If Trump would have already got them out, they wouldn't be dead. This **** will go on for decades or centuries by whatever crazy islamic group is the flavor of the week.

**** of Syria and Afghanistan......

....are you saying liberals are now war mongers?

Why YES you are, but you didn't say a damn thing about OBAMA putting them there in the first place AFTER OBAMA gave the TERRORISTS guns. What a f'n fool that fake American probably Kenyan SOB was.

 

How about a thread titled?

ILLEGAL immigrants kill Americans on a daily basis and the Democrats are tone deaf

 

This horrible attack is just another typical example of Donald Trump “winning.”

 

Off topic post enroute.

 

ISIS is done as a fighting army, but no one can stop these lone person hit and run or blow yourself up. You know that as well as I do Sandy. Yes, we can pull our troops out and still be active in Syria. There is nothing stopping us from using air power if needed. One thing might hold us up leaving is Turkey and the Kurds. Turkey would like to wipe them out as they would like to with ISIS. I don't look for ISIS to be anything more than hit and run fighters and there isn't a lot to do to stop that. Plus Syria and Russia and maybe Iran will pursue ISIS too. There is really no way we are going to get Iran out of Syria. no matter what Pompeo said.

 

Why the personal animosity? That is a powerful sign you are not sure of yourself.

So, you are saying that we should just quit as the leader of the free world. ISIS has cells in many countries, including ours, but your solution is to give up the fight and bring our troops home so they don't get hurt.

I can see why you support Trump. That is his solution, too, quit, surrender Syria to ISIS, the brutal dictator Assad, and Russia who desperately wants to protect that warm water naval facility in Syria.

As a matter of fact, according to your remarks, let's just give up on the Mideast because of "whatever crazy islamic group is the flavor of the week." Let Iran and Russia have the Mideast and control of the oil and the pipelines. Putin would love that. So would the mullahs.

Are you anxious to please Putin? Sure sounds like it. You want our troops to get out of Putin's way. That is what you said.

 

Your reasoning is faulty. We can't be the police for every country in the world. And whether we were never in a country or whether we are in a country or whether we are leaving a country, ISIS has the ability to strike anywhere.

The decision of whether to leave or stay should be based on whether continued presence in that country will make a significant, not on whether there is the chance of further attacks because there will always be the chance of further attacks. Marine 1 above has covered it very well.

 

Yes, of course, I know that ISIS is no longer a "fighting army." I'm not sure it ever was. Two years as a caliphate -- holding territory -- does not make them a "fighting army." Now that they no longer have territory to defend, they return to what they always were, guerilla force that hits and runs. ISIS has a guerilla force of between 20,000 and 30,000 in Iraq and Syria and they no longer have to stand and fight. This is a concept Trump -- who never experienced a day in the military -- can't understand.

Neither can you. "I don't look for ISIS to be anything more than hit and run fighters and there isn't a lot to do to stop that." So, you agree with Trump that ISIS is an inconsequential force. You agree with Trump that we should just leave the battlefield and turn it over to ISIS. I, on the other hand, feel that ISIS is a formidable force, 20,000 to 30,000 strong, that is more dangerous than ever because it no longer has to stand and fight to protect territory.

It is self-evident from yesterday's attack that ISIS is very dangerous.

If you were ever in the Marines, you skipped the lesson where one learned that air power can't destroy guerilla force that will not stand and fight. It's like trying to kill a fly with a 12 gauge shotgun.

Once again, like Trump, you display a defeatist attitude. "Plus Syria and Russia and maybe Iran will pursue ISIS too. There is really no way we are going to get Iran out of Syria. no matter what Pompeo said." The first is a hope and a prayer very much like Trump. The second is surrender. You don't realize that when the Kurds and Syrian rebels succeed in toppling the Assad government, Iran's influence in Syria will disappear. Russia's too, as they will demand that Russia leave its naval base at Tartus. The U.S. will be rewarded for its assistance, and we become a dominant force in the Mideast again.

Unfortunately, Putin would not like that. Hence, Trump's surrender order in Syria.

 

Did you ever think that perhaps we dont "need" to be a dominant force in the Middle East? I dont think the reward is worth even one more US soldiers life.

 

If I remember correctly a couple of weeks ago Sandy Shanks posted the need to keep our troops in Syria. Do you consider the blood of the dead American troops killed yesterday to be on your hands?

 

Nice deflection attempt...NOT!
Your post basically is saying " haha trump wrong, isis killed more americans,haha" and this guy put you in your place and your only defense is to bring up putin cause you're desperate? Sad!

 

Come on Sandy, that was about the force they had when they were fighting like an Army. Show me where they have that kind of force in Syria or even in Iraq as a hit and run force. You said a suicide bomber blew up a bunch of Americans in a restaurant and did nothing. What was Trump to do Sandy, that kind of things happens every day around the world. The guy is blown to pieces.

I never said leave and turn the battlefield over to ISIS. I said that they are finished as a standing army and are now a scattered hit and run force. We don't need an Army there fighting that when you already have the Syrians, Russians, Kurds, Iranians and Turks there fighting them

No one is going to topple Assad. Obama and Hillary were an idiot to think Russia and Iran would sit back and let that happen to their biggest Allie in the Middle East. Russia isn't going to be driven out of the Navel base in Tartus. Assad is there to stay and Trump isn't going to fund the Syrian resistance against him. I have a hard time believing you were ever in the service they way you think.

 

I just posted in another thread but will place it here as well, assuming that Trump meant the defeat of "suicide bombers" is more than just a little ridiculous.

 

You joined the wrong thread.

 

He will win if he gets his way. Acting as Putin's puppet, he wants to turn Syria over to Russia and her ally, Iran. That would be the result of his surrender order issued on Dec. 19.

But that is only the beginning. He wants to withdraw all American troops from the Mideast, turning the whole region over to Russia. His fans support him. Listen to what they say.

 

But Trump told us that ISIS is gone and bragged about it.
By the way you are aware that Obama was responsible for killing bin Laden.If Trump did that he would be bragging about it nonstop and saying he did it with his own hands

 

Trump counts on people who think like this and are unaware of the danger to our country

 

ISIS is gone as a fighting army. I give Obama credit for trusting his intelligence was right about where bin Laden lived and took the chance of attacking his home without being 100% sure. But that was the only good thing he did in the Middle East. He screwed up so much, he is litterly hated by most of the countries there. He handling of ISIS has caused the death of so many and the homelessness of hundreds of thousands and has to be responsible for many of the millions of refugees who invaded Europe, which will never be the same again.

 

Trump would have never allowed this. This from Obama's own appointed CIA Director.


CIA Director: ISIS Has Grown 4,400 Percent Under Obama ...
https://freebeacon.com/national-security/cia-director-isis-has...
The Islamic State (also known as ISIS or ISIL) was "decimated" and had around "700 or so adherents left" during former president George W. Bush’s term in office, according to Brennan.

 

Obama never got serious about fighting ISIS until his last year.

US Pilots Confirm: Obama Admin Blocks 75% of ISIS Strikes

https://freebeacon.com/.../us-pilots-confirm-obama-admin-blocks-75-percent-of-isis-st...
Nov 20, 2015 - U.S. Pilots Confirm: Obama Admin Blocks 75 Percent of Islamic State Strikes ... Strikesagainst the Islamic State (also known as ISIS or ISIL) targets are often ... and now as the pilots come back to talk to us they say three-quarters of our ... at least 70 percent of American support an expanded fight against the ...

 

Obama backed stabbed Egypt's Mubarak, Pissed off Egypt and Israel. Had Jorden's President storm out of his office. Saudi King refused to talk to him and Obama at least admitted Libya was his worse mistake. Believe me, it wasn't his worse. Isn't it funny that most Americans have no idea of what Obama and Trump has done?

 

Ok I will play, why should we be the dominate force in the Middle East?

 

If the US had withdrawn earlier, when Trump wanted to, these Americans would still be alive.

Their deaths are entirely on the warmongers who insist on occupying Syria. Shame on you.

 

Actually, it's another example of Americans dying for illegal, unnecessary wars that are based on lies.