When did you first love your children?

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  1. Renee

    Renee Well-Known Member

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    What a nice simple solution. Such a child like solution.
     
  2. Renee

    Renee Well-Known Member

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    Then why do you suppose medical science refers to is living human beings as you say with labels like zygote, embryo, fetus? No science doesn’t prove 100% that unborn children are actual living humans. They are potential human beings. They are as much a child as an acorn is the truth,
     
  3. FoxHastings

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    Unborn humans are unborn humans and I don't need science to point that out.

    HOWEVER, science does NOT bestow or determine rights...unborn humans have NONE.
     
  4. MAGA

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    My goodness I've never seen anyone show so much insecurity that they're given to these lengths to talk around a subject rather than just admit the obvious.

    Human life really isn't that difficult to recognize if you just open your eyes. So easy in fact that you vomit BS to distract from it.

    The abortion issue isn't even about fertilized eggs or zygotes. Truth is that if the left's thirst for death could be quenched that easily Democrats would have actually passed legislation supporting decades ago.

    It's not about that at all. The left has always needed to prove that government is God, and the people live at goverment's whim. That's why the left doesn't support the human rights of a healthy child 1/2 way out of the birth canal. They reserve the right to stab the head with a sharp instrument, cram a tube inside the skull, and suck the brains out of that child's skull.

    It's a child. A baby. A young human being.

    You either support human rights, or you don't.
     
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  5. MAGA

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    Kinda like slaves.
     
  6. MAGA

    MAGA Well-Known Member

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    Dehumanizing those you want to kill or own isn't new.
     
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    The only insecure one is you. You claimed "absolute certainty" as per science and I proved your claim is demonstrably false. Now - lacking any ability to refute "The Science" you just talk over the information - your schooling - as if that information did not exist.

    Then you repeat your premise "Its a child" as if repetition constituted proof of claim.

    Then you blabber on about "human life" - of course the single cell at conception is human life - that however does not make it "a human".

    Then you yammer on about "the left" as if this has anything to do with the fact that you have completely failed to prove your claim.

    Finally you talk about a fetus - half way out of the birth canal. At this point - I agree that it is a human a child. This does not make the single cell at conception a human.
     
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    The same reason infants, adolescents, and adults are all humans.

    Zygote is the name of a specific stage in human
    development.

    And again if Democrats were satisfied with killing zygotes they would certainly have passed legislation by now.

    But that's not enough death to fund their campaigns and feed their lust for power.
     
  9. MAGA

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    The one yammering is you with your babblings about non humans that somehow magically turn human.

    You agree the l that a human 1/2 out of the canal is human? That's a start. Do you agree that human child deserves human rights?
     
  10. FoxHastings

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    No, not like slaves....slaves are born with rights and have them taken away ,a fetus NEVER had rights.
     
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    Governments don't give rights to people. They either protect them or take them away.
     
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    FoxHastings said:
    No, not like slaves....slaves are born with rights and have them taken away ,a fetus NEVER had rights.




    I never mentioned the government...

    Can you refute or comment on , ""No, not like slaves....slaves are born with rights and have them taken away ,a fetus NEVER had rights.""

    I mean you did quote it, why not comment on it?
     
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    Legislation for what?

    You forgot "fetus" in your stages of human development...you know, when it's NOT a "baby"/"infant" which is another stage in human development..




    :roflol::roflol::roflol: Oh, the DRAAAAma!! "death to fund their campaign" (HOW EXACTLY?) ...""feed their lust for power"" which, of course you'll claim no Republican ever had....
     
  14. MAGA

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    OK... Democrat slave owners don't give the rights of those born on their plantation.

    Rights come from God. Society can't give rights.
     
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    FoxHastings said:
    FoxHastings said:
    No, not like slaves....slaves are born with rights and have them taken away ,a fetus NEVER had rights.



    I never mentioned the government...

    Can you refute or comment on , ""No, not like slaves....slaves are born with rights and have them taken away ,a fetus NEVER had rights.""

    I mean you did quote it, why not comment on it?





    I guess you don't want to seriously comment on it.......(mygawd,the rambling.)..
     
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    My comment on human rights was serious. Its the haters of innocent life that I don't take seriously.
     
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    FoxHastings said:
    No, not like slaves....slaves are born with rights and have them taken away ,a fetus NEVER had rights.

    I never mentioned the government...

    Can you refute or comment on , ""No, not like slaves....slaves are born with rights and have them taken away ,a fetus NEVER had rights.""

    I mean you did quote it, why not comment on it?


    I guess you don't want to seriously comment on it.......(mygawd,the rambling.)..







    Oh, OK, you can't address my post....
     
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    Your understanding of this debate is not good. Seriously. You are making some very basic (albeit common) mistakes.

    You are confusing the descriptive adjective use of the word "Human" (human cell, human heart ) with the noun use of the word human (a human, a living human).

    I have never claimed that the zygote (single human cell at conception) is not human. I referred to the zygote as a "human cell" in my previous post.

    Just because a heart cell is "human" does not make a heart cell "A human".

    I agree that a fetus that is half way out of the birth canal deserves rights. Further - I believe that the fetus is a human - many weeks prior to this point.

    What I do not believe is that a single human cell deserves the same rights as a human.
     
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    Lying down on the freeway doesn't always produce death by truck, either. But your chance of being killed by one is about 99.9% higher than if you don't lie down on the freeway.

    And again, saying 'consent to one is not consent to the other', the same applies. You can't consent to lying down on a freeway, but not consent to trucks killing you. Not if you're a sane and lucid adult.
     
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    Actually, this is the grown up solution. Your response (in previous post .. about not missing a fetus) is the child's 'solution'.
     
  21. FoxHastings

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    Yes, you can. But you'd be nuts to do so.....but even the insane have the right not to be runover.


    Consent to one act is NOT consent to any other act.

    Consenting to lying on a freeway is not consent to be run over....it's consent to lying on the freeway. Consent has nothing to do with risk.
     
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    haha ....... oh, you're serious :icon_jawdrop:
     
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    Yes, consent to one act is not consent to any other act.
     
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    I'm sure that defense would work, vis a vis "not cognitively fit to stand trail".
     
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    FoxHastings said:
    Yes, consent to one act is not consent to any other act.




    Maybe you should contact a lawyer and have her explain....

    If you consent to have someone enter your home is it OK if they steal all your possessions and beat you up? Afterall, you DID consent to let them in.....:)
     

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