ILLEGAL immigrants thread topic question

I am, so now what are you going to say? Do pro-choice racists exist in your mental world?

 

This seems to be a credible source. ...-> http://www.ojjpac.org/memorial.asp

Home page -> http://www.ojjpac.org/index.asp

 

Extremely pro choice. I'm pro abortion actually I don't think people who can't take of themselves have any any business taking care of children. Sue me for being responsible and logical, hehe.

 

I was born here from parents who were born here from grandparents who were born here or who came over through Ellis Island, LEGALLY. Just a little bit different than your average illegal plopping out babies for free at border hospitals and soaking up the free services, clogging up our schools, roadways, and using natural resources they shouldn't be using and creating waste that shouldn't be anywhere near our borders. AND they rarely will have skills that create enough revenue to EVER pay the country back for everything they take. My ancestors didn't have welfare, and no one in my family has ever had to use it. So by logical deduction, I am more valuable as a citizen than basically any Illegal that crosses our border, unless they're a super genius who knows the cure for cancer. But I'll happily risk that extremely impossible scenario=)

 

I'm 100% pro abortion for potential democrat offspring.

 

My ancestors were legal immigrants also. Australia has the right idea. Notice the word sovereign in Operation SOVEREIGN Borders:

"I am Major General Craig Furini.

As the new Commander of Australia’s Operation Sovereign Borders, I have a simple message to anyone considering illegal travel to Australia by boat.

Under my command, Australia’s borders will stay closed to illegal migration.

If you attempt an illegal boat journey to Australia, you will be stopped and returned to your country of departure or your home country.

Australia is serious about protecting its borders and preventing deaths at sea. This will not change.

Australia’s borders are monitored, patrolled and protected every day of the year, and our border protection defences are stronger than ever."

 

No, I am a naturalized citizen. I was born here. It's beside the point but the latest arrival of any of my ancestors was the late 1700's. I don't need a test. I am steeped in American History and culture. In no way would I promote subversion to our Constitution. How would I wait in line....I am here and was awarded my SS# at birth legally.?

 

Agreed, ask the "grant them citizenship" group
and let them stay here, why the money spend on them should not be spend on legal immigrants and native born poor. Again, A national ID card with a card reader is the solution. It will take about a year to implement and can be used to register native poor people who the dems say are disenfranchised as some states make it difficult to register. Then over the next 6 months everyone has to get their card scanned at work. NO card, no work, duplicate SS number- no work, wrong photo on id, no work.

False ID will be treated like counterfeit currency, no like a kid getting an age 21 ID. Significant jail terms for employers. Immigrants that co-operate with the government on where they worked will be allowed to legally immigrate in the future.

 

The federal government can give everybody that self deports all thier assets. and if needed pay for the trip back home.

 

Oh of course, heck, racism could evolve into forcing people into not reproducing. So, at least on the front of worrying about crime and abusing welfare etc, that's a consistent position. As long, as we are more concerned about mitigating population increase in Americans more. So, as long as our first priority is maximizing access to birth control and abortion (ie government paying for it) then we can start to talk about worrying about immigration. Although we still won't get to the point that a wall is cost effective.

 

Ok, we are more or less on the same page on that then.

 

So, the entitlement perspective huh? In other words, you are entitled to the work of others because you happened to be born into the right circumstances?

 

Right, you lucked out. You inherited your fortune. I realize we live in an entitled society, but there is no moral argument that you get to have something because you were born into it.

 

Entitled? I pay more in taxes than any illegal makes in a year....probably. I’m entitled to the work of others because I’m a responsible and law abiding citizen who pays into the system. I deserve whatever I’m entitled to. Illegals don’t deserve and aren’t entitled to anything.

I don’t understand what you mean at all. I was born into circumstances my parents planned for and my kids were born into circumstances me and my wife planned for. THats not entitlement. That’s called responsibility and a plan. I know people who started with way more than me who blew it. And plenty of people who started with nothing have accomplished far more. That’s life.

If you’re saying I’m entitled because I wasn’t born in a Central American prison that’s not something I spend a spec of brain power on. I will NEVER feel guilty for what I have and what others don’t. NEVER.

 

But, you are an American ONLY because of luck. Absolutely no other reason. You didn't do a single thing to earn your place in this country. It is impossible to do less than you did to be an American.

 

Please. You didn’t earn waking up in the morning. I’m lucky if I don’t get hit by lightning tonight. Boo hoo. Some people are born in shotty situations. There is not a single thing I can do to control any of it so it’s a complete waste of time to bother agonizing over my lucky life. I’m very glad I’m here and not there. But I won’t feel guilty. .

 

But, you can't pretend there is any moral authority here. It's all about protecting the luck you were born with. We can't pretend you are entitled to it.

 

Protecting a working system instead of letting the animals destroy it all? Yes. I want to protect what works and my entitled life and country 3rd world countries are what they are because of the people. We don’t need them except to provide what we can’t. But we don’t need any of their people.

 

Animals huh? There are plenty of white s****holes throughout history.

 

So I should foresake the family I was born to? I should not reap my inheritance? You sound like one that wants government to knock me back down to the status of a third world citizen. Typical Marxist....

 

I would prefer you just earn your keep. You don't have to forsake anything, you just didn't earn your inheritance, and therefore have no moral right to it.

 

We are going to name you Kool Aid man.

 

History? How about now? There’s little debate who are more succesful at building prosperous nations.

 

Chinese?

 

Sort of, if you're into govt that abuse their citizens=) One child policy, no human rights really, complete control over media and information, poisonous air. They're not quite there yet.