Is America already separated and just waiting for the divorce to be final?

False. Obama gave divisiveness a pleasant face and made his cult of personality seem normal, but Obama was every bit as divisive as Trump and his presidency was every bit as much a cult of personality. Obama split the country along racial lines and made the cops the bad guys. He received the Nobel Peace Prize when he hadn't actually done anything. He was greeted in Germany and other European countries like a rock star rather than a serious political candidate. But at home, his policy prescriptions went over like lead balloons and his presidency led to the lowest Democratic election results since Reconstruction, all while maintaining his own popularity. If that's not a cult of personality, I don't know what is. The election of Trump sobered Obama up considerably, with him asking for the first time, "What if I was wrong?" Nobody wanted what Obama was selling, but because Obama was so nice, everyone was happy to let him go on selling it.

 

Democrats want equality of outcome. In what universe is that not far left???

 

You're not wrong that social media (and yes I agree, this site included) is exacerbating social and political division, but it's revealed as well that in terms of policy positions and how we view society, we are becoming more and more separated.

Where is the compromise when one side thinks a border wall is immoral and the other side views it as a national security necessity?

Where is the compromise when one side views weapons ownership a constitutional right and the other doesn't?

We have serious differences that are becoming worse, and even if social media were to vanish tomorrow, it wouldn't change that.

 

The left is not "borderless", and the Trump right will not be allowed, xwsmith, to be ethno-centric and uber nationalistic.

 

Events in Europe collapse your argument, and in the US, responsible Americans will not allow the Trump right to ethno-centric or uber nationalistic when it comes to immigrants.

 

I don't think you get to decide what the right is going to be. And I don't think there is anything like uber nationalism. There is military aggressiveness like with China, but that isn't nationalism, it's expansionism.

Which one of these statements is racist and why?

It's okay to be black.
It's okay to be Hispanic.
It's okay to be Asian.
It's okay to be white.

 

The rest of America, and you, and I get to decide what the right is not going to be.

Yes, the right now is uber-nationalistic, and the right is ethno-centric.

Why would you wrongly assume, xwsmithx, that it is not?

 

Democrats = The OTHER party of endless war and corporate corruption serving only the oligarchy

 

If we cant seem to pull together and realize that there are far more things that bring us together than separate us, Then yes. A divorce is coming. And that divorce will be messy and violent.

 

You do realize Manaforts ties were with the Ukraine not Russia?

 

This was the original point of the United States, before it consolidated into a "Federal" state: to allow competing ideologies and demographics to coexist with a minimal Federal government.

Competitive Federalism is the way to go, with as much independence for federal bodies as is possible. One size fits all leaves everyone disappointed, and this is the core issue with liberal democracy in the modern world.

All power is consolidated in corporations and national governments.

 

I agree, states' rights is a good solution for each side to live under the policies they want, but how do you deal with it for immigration policies?

If blue states want amnesty for illegal aliens but red states don't, how do you give them "half citizenship" and ensure that their children never get full citizenship outside of blue states as well?

It gets silly really fast. At that point it's basically secession anyways.

 

Immigration is in Article I Section 8 as a Federal power. Prohibition is not.

 

Exactly. So since a major difference between both sides is immigration policy, states' rights won't help, this can only be solved by seceding.

 

I favor secession, but there's no reason why drug policy can't be returned to the states.

 

I'm pretty sure both sides support legalizing weed right now anyways, so you can even do that at the federal level.

 

You say that like it's a good thing. The phrase "Cult of Personality" means someone who tells people what they want to hear, and shows them what they want to see. It also means someone who awes people with showmanship, but has no real substance, and who uses that showmanship to distract people as they push an agenda that goes completely against those peoples' interests.

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What events in Europe?If you travelled around Europe more frequently you would understand and see how uncontrollable immigration from 3rd world countries ruined once great cities like Amsterdam, London, Paris, Rome etc...Some of us are old enough to compare 80"s, 90"s, 00's and 10"s to draw a conclusion that uncontrollable immigration from 3rd world countries, forced multiculturalism, liberal PC fascist policies etc....abysmally failed....Standards have dropped across the board. Social services are bankrupted, NHS is overstretched and educational standards have been lowered to accomodate newcomers.A history lesson. Barbarians ruined some great civilisations.

 

Sheesh, stop it, there will be no secession.

 

. . . which is Trump exactly.