House Speaker Nancy Pelosi gets revenge on colleague who didn't support her

Looks like infighting in the Democratic Party.

"House Speaker Nancy Pelosi exacted revenge against one of her most outspoken detractors Tuesday night, blocking Rep. Kathleen Rice from landing a seat on the high-profile House Judiciary Committee.

Pelosi lobbied for other members to join the panel over Rice, leaving the third-term New York Democrat off a list of her preferred members for the committee during a tense closed-door meeting Tuesday night, according to multiple sources. The effort came despite a full-court push from the New York delegation to secure a spot for Rice, a former prosecutor, on the panel that oversees everything from impeachment to guns to immigration."

Rice had been part of a movement in the Party trying to get someone else appointed Speaker of the House, believing it was time for someone else besides Pelosi.
(Pelosi had previously occupied the position as House Speaker before the Republicans had taken over)

 

For those who do not see the significance of this, you need only note that the judiciary committee from which Rice was sidelined, is the most logical vehicle through which early consideration of impeachment matters would be born, and many of these members would be the most prominent to lead in drafting articles.
This was Nancy's way of reminding troublemaking Dems, that making an enemy of her might be detrimental, and her way of reminding EVERYONE that she is the single most important person determining whether or not articles get drafted and sent for a vote in a committee or on the floor. She picks who gets seated on the Judiciary or any select impeachment committee created, and she picks who holds the gavel, and can either create a flow for such bills that is smooth sailing or she can build a series of damns.

Now if you are Trump or a member of the GOP of course this matters, but it also matters to a lot of moderate or conservative Dems in purple or pinkish districts who would really prefer not to have this issue discussed at all, let alone voted on.

That is why you can be 100% sure that most of the more moderate members of her caucus will stand by her in this fight over the wall. Frankly neither the House minority leader, nor Schumer, nor McConnell have as much leverage in their caucus as Pelosi does simply because of the times in which this Congress sits . This particular disciplinary move was perfectly suited to send more than one 'reminder notice'.

 

The House can pass impeachment articles all day long, Trump will be acquitted by the Senate in overwhelming fashion. You couldn't get 67 Senators to agree on the time of day, let alone conviction.

What is so blatantly obviously the plan is to time it such that impeachment articles are passed, but the Senate doesn't have time to acquit before 2020.

Pelosi knows it, Trump knows it, half the damn public knows it.

 

I am fine with that, but I am not sure Pelosi is - yet. She is still consistently on record as opposing impeachment hearings.

 

Yeah, because the Senate will acquit and that will be that. She only has one shot, it's like Luke blowing up the death star (actually IIRC Luke got two shots).

Timing is critical. If Trump goes to election after being impeached and the Senate has no time to acquit that's a huge advantage for Dems.

 

Nancy Pelosi has been avowed opponent of all efforts to impeach any President since Nixon. She opposed such efforts against Reagan, Bush, and Clinton long before Trump. She historically has a very high standard for impeachment both on legal and pragmatic grounds.

 

Time will tell which of us is right.

 

I hope you are and considering how he has been acting this last month, she has reason to think this man's malfeasance in office is intolerable. At least Reagan, Bush and Clinton could keep services going.

 

When legislature and executive are split approrporations cannot be passed. Especially when the legislative side has been calling Trump literal Hitler, how do you do a deal with Hitler?

You can't, it undermines your message - that Trump is dictatorial and a potentially murderous far right ideologue.

So the shut down will persist until the election.

 

The legislature and the executive are split historically ,more often than they are not. Appropriations somehow got passed in every legislative session regardless of the split. The problem is not that Trump is Hitler. The problem is that he literally cannot hold onto yesterday's promise that he made, for more than 24 hours. He is fickle and moronic as well as amoral. The solution is for Dems to pressure and negotiate with McConnell only, and let him deal with Donald. Instead of calling this the 'Trump shutdown', it is more properly referred to as the GOP Senate/ McConnell shutdown.

 

Yes, Dictator Pelosi wields considerable leverage once given the gavel. I blame the Democrats for sticking with an ineffective politician who though is an excellent 'fund raiser'. That is admittedly half of the battle, and a substantial one in Washington.

 

Looks to many Americans that Pelosi is squeezing cojones quite effectively [ie. Trump will not give State of Union address until Nancy allows it].

 

If Politics were about looking like the biggest baby, Pelosi has quite the resume. If it were about being an effective Speaker of the House. Then not really. There's a reason she's never been able to climb further up the ladder.

 

Higher than Speaker of the House twice! What do you expect her to become the Pope next?

 

A US senator, maybe? A run for the Presidency? She's simply party majority leader, and not so for her politics but for her fundraising.

 

Your argument is weak, my friend. Take your own advice, run for president. Otherwise you are settling for less?

 

LOL, if I had the funds I'd do that right now. You think I enjoy Tlaib representing the 13th district in Michigan? Or Cortez making a laughing mockery of herself? Sometimes, the poor of us have to suffer being ruled by the nepotistic among us.

 

The 'dictator' was elected by a body of members about a month ago, who are well aware of the powers and limitations afforded to the modern speakership. This is not Sam Rayburn's House and Speakers can be removed or censured. 80% of what she does to get her goals accomplished , she does through persuasion. then there is the 10% she gets from offering carrots and the 10% she gets from using a stick. She is not effective at getting your agenda accomplished.

 

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

You called Pelosi "ineffective."

We know why conservatives were doing the "Democrats in disarray! Pelosi needs to go!" concern-trolling. They were aware of how good Pelosi is at her job.

 

How many times did Obama shut down the Government? Found this on Google. Gee, same number as for Trump.

During the Barack Obama administration, a 16-day government shutdown occurred during October 2013 over Democrats and Republicans not coming to an ...
‎United States federal ... · ‎Government operations · ‎Presidency of Barack Obama

 

You are kidding right? What do you think the logical reply here is? Can you guess?

 

I think it's the other way around 80% carrots(money), 10% persuasion and maybe 10% politics. The last Democratic House was one of the worst in recent memory, cursing the ACA upon us. This House looks no less inspiring.

 

Trump went a lot of days just to break Clinton's record.

 

Nancy is the victor per every media outlet

 

Your bias is showing. You are not thinking like a liberal Democrat when you decide what looks good and what does not. You are not someone she is designing her bills for and your judgements are not based on the same philosophy of governance. So what looks to you like a position that would require money as opposed to persuasion, is not so, if your views are naturally in the ballpark of hers.