Trump is tanking

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  1. btthegreat

    btthegreat Well-Known Member

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    You still don't get it. He's not a normal negotiating partner. Nobody is interested in his 'offers' because nobody trusts them to exist outside of his mouth.
     
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    I don't mean Maduro would hurt them... VZ is in trouble and people are rioting.. and they know the US has hammered them with sanctions.
     
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    Let's wait till the election then. Another 2 years of shut down.

    In our system of government (australia) a failure to pass appropriations constitutes a constitutional crisis. Parliament is flushed and an election takes place until a government is secured which can pass appropriations.

    Has its own issues though. No separation of powers, etc

    Expanding the shut down to cover a lot more should solve it going forward. Cut all entitlements and bureaucrat pay during a shut down and they wouldn't happen.
     
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    It's not even clear the 700,000 are covered. It looks like Trump did it again. It is not a DACA extension it is a new DACA. This is why you can't trust anything Trump says or in this case didn't say.

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/stuart...s-in-new-trump-immigration-bill/#2031909b56e3

    I think there is more, but this ices it for me.
     
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    Oh it won't last that long regardless.
     
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    What happens when Democrats turn and support it then the Republican house rejects the measure? Republicans would look like even bigger fools...

    I think the larger issue that Democratic leadership sees is that if trump gets his way this round he know exactly how long he has to shutdown the government again next round. He has shown himself to be less than a man of his word. This is his third shutdown for a reason (more than Obama had in 8 years).

    5.7 billion, actually 4.7 billion as Democrats gave him 1 billion on day one will not build or repair much of the wall — so this will have to happen again and again.

    Reopen the government and work on a comprehensive immigration package.
     
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    Hey, they increased the debt and deficit.

    Their YUUUGGGGEE promise to repeal and replace ACA? Nope. Flame out.
     
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    How will he offer an end to the drug war?
     
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    The shut down? It needs agreement between President and Congress, or supermajorities. Which route are you thinking?
     
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    Legalise reasonable amounts of cultivation for personal use. Coca, cannabis, opium, etc.
     
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    If tanking means Trump approval rating dropped from 43% to 41%, then I guess you're right. The thing is Trump has been between 41% to 44% since January of 2018. Never higher, never lower.

    https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/president_trump_job_approval-6179.html

    Now you have nationwide 41% supporting the wall, 46% opposing the wall. Question 5. that's not everyone opposing it. The wall is a 100% purely partisan issue. Partisan politics at its finest or worst. 83% of republicans are for the wall, 84% of Democrats oppose the wall. Independents, the non-affiliated, less to non-partisan, 39% support for the wall, 40% opposition to the wall. I'd call the non-partisans feelings an even split. Again proving not everyone is oppose to the wall.

    An honest way to put this is Democrats oppose the wall along with half of independents, Republicans favor the wall along with half of independents. That would be more accurate and far less hyperbolic.

    As for handling of the shutdown. Nancy Pelosi, 20% of all Americans strongly approve, 39% strongly disapprove. I left out somewhat approve and somewhat disapprove, but question 24A has them if you care to look. Donald Trump, 26% strongly approve, 50% strongly disapprove. No doubt about it, so far Nancy is in the lead or has the advantage. Sort of. she has less strongly approve of her action than Trump does. But Trump has more strongly disapprove than Nancy. take that as you may. Interesting though. trump is question 24C.

    as to blame for the shutdown, 41% blame Democrats in congress a lot, again I left out a little as that I consider wishy washy. go to question 20A if you care. 25% say the democrats in congress have no blame at all. Question 20C, Trump, 57% blame him a lot, as it should be in my opinion, 22% say trump isn't to blame at all. A lot more folks blame Trump a lot than the Democrats in congress, for sure.

    https://d25d2506sfb94s.cloudfront.net/cumulus_uploads/document/183c0vbnai/econTabReport.pdf

    Personally, I think most folks have made up their mind about Trump. His numbers haven't and I think won't move more than a point or two up or down no matter what he does or doesn't do. Trump is a very easy man to dislike. Just one more stat, favorable and unfavorable comparisons between Trump and Pelosi. Questions 51A and 51C. Again I leave out the wishy washy somewhats. Trump is seen very favorably by 27% of Americans, 47% see trump very unfavorably. 18% of all Americans view Nancy Pelosi very favorably, 36% very unfavorably. Both are seen unfavorably by a 2-1 margin over their favorable rating.

    Like I said, interesting. Make what you may about all of this. The conclusion I draw, Republicans want the wall, democrats don't. The rest of us are more or less ambivalent about it. Not caring one way or the other. we're having a hard time understanding how Republicans and Democrats can shut down the government over 5 billion dollars. that is over 0.0125% of the four trillion the government will spend this year. A bit more than one one hundredth of a single percentage point, a little less than two one hundredth of a percent.

    this whole thing is asinine as all get out. Letting partisan politics take priority over running of the country. A pox on all of those in Washington regardless of party.
     
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    It would be an offer not worth considering.
    The R's in each house would reject immediately.
     
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    Draft the bill with wall funding and an end to the drug war and let's see how it goes.

    I'd be interested to see who votes no on either side.
     
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    EXACTLY...... and Nancy ;is handling Trump very effectively. As someone said......she has five kids......and knows how to handle toddlers.;-)

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    National security expert flattens Trump’s wall argument: ‘If you build a 50-foot wall you’ll find a tunnel’

    https://www.rawstory.com/2019/01/na...ll-find-tunnel/?utm_source=push_notifications

    Trump should be looking for an off ramp......
     
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    I think it might pass. McConnell is from tobacco country and they need a replacement crop.
     
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    Push it as not actually legalising drugs. States can do what they like and most will continue prohibition.
     
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    Yeah, I think decriminalizing is the only thing that matters. It's not a good idea to have that much cash running wild.
    But we are creeping up on it. It gets slower - cause you know - pot smokers aren't to fast.
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    Oh, Mueller is far from finished with MAGA..
     
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    The path to getting the GOP on board is to pander incessantly for states rights. That's the only route through which an end to the drug war makes sense to the conservative world view.

    Texas could quite capably prohibit any drugs while California could permit opium dens. Everyone's happy.

    Post up Article I, Section 8 in the House and Debate and ruthlessly shred any Republican who resists on states rights grounds
     
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    Nobody will care about or even remember the shutdown 10 minutes after it's over. And "smirkergate" only once again proved Trump right for calling out the gratuitous amounts of fake news coming from the corporate media.
     
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    MAGA lies about fake news coming from the corporate media. MAGA spews fake news.
     
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    Um, you do realize that MAGA isn't a person, right? And are you trying to claim that the corporate media is trustworthy?
     
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    Fox News Poll: President Trump’s ratings after two years in office

    Forty-one percent of voters rate the economy positively (excellent or good), which is better than the 33 percent who felt that way when President Trump took office. However, 41 percent is down from 47 percent excellent/good last month -- and the lowest mark since August 2017.

    There’s also a decline in economic optimism: 37 percent believe the economy will be stronger a year from now, down significantly from 55 percent who said the same in 2017. Some of the biggest drops in optimism come from independents (-32 points), very conservative voters (-28) Trump voters (-27), and Republicans (-25).

    President Trump’s best job ratings continue to be on the economy: 49 percent approve vs. 46 percent disapprove. He gets negative marks on border security (43-53 percent), immigration (42-54 percent), and foreign policy (38-53 percent).

    ... https://www.foxnews.com/politics/fox-news-poll-president-trumps-ratings-after-two-years-in-office

    Even Faux News is having a hard time sugar-coating this gargantuan cluster.
     
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