The REAL Reason the Hard Left Supports Gun Control

Apparently not homicides are at a 20 year low.

 

Can you define "hard left".

 

Yeh, but then everybody gets upset and Tom Cruise makes another movie

i base my speculations on what I know of conservatives. People who aren't happy unless they're miserable and think they have to die before they're really alive. Little wonder they love Trump so.

 

Make mental problem part of the check.

 

There are more gun deaths in Chicago alone than those in random massacres.

 

Yeah, they're the enemy, and enemies would always prefer that their opposition be unarmed. It makes wars so much easier if one side has all the guns, and the others are armed with nothing more than chants and signs.

I was watching a livestream of the yellow vest protests in France yesterday, and what really got me is how the frenchies have become so emasculated that they have been reduced to chants and signs. You do that if it's just some minor problem you have with something. If there's a major problem, men go in there armed to the teeth willing to die for what they believe in.

That's what they want us to become. Just a bunch of guys armed with whistles complaining about being enslaved.

 

You sound dangerous and an argument for gun control

 

Actually, you have it backwards. Criminals only steal 10% of the illegal firearms in circulation.

Quoted from a Frontline story:
“Ask a cop on the beat how criminals get guns and you're likely to hear this hard boiled response: "They steal them." But this street wisdom is wrong, according to one frustrated Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms (ATF) agent who is tired of battling this popular misconception. An expert on crime gun patterns, ATF agent Jay Wachtel says that most guns used in crimes are not stolen out of private gun owners' homes and cars. "Stolen guns account for only about 10% to 15% of guns used in crimes," Wachtel said. Because when they want guns they want them immediately the wait is usually too long for a weapon to be stolen and find its way to a criminal.

In fact, there are a number of sources that allow guns to fall into the wrong hands, with gun thefts at the bottom of the list. Wachtel says one of the most common ways criminals get guns is through straw purchase sales. A straw purchase occurs when someone who may not legally acquire a firearm, or who wants to do so anonymously, has a companion buy it on their behalf. According to a 1994 ATF study on "Sources of Crime Guns in Southern California," many straw purchases are conducted in an openly "suggestive" manner where two people walk into a gun store, one selects a firearm, and then the other uses identification for the purchase and pays for the gun. Or, several underage people walk into a store and an adult with them makes the purchases. Both of these are illegal activities.”

Eye-opener , isn’t it ?

 

Details....details

 

The devil is in the detail !

How you doin' tonight Vegas?

 

Except a firearm doesnt require a high degree of skill to make someone lethal.

The samurai dominated and oppressed the peasants by restricting their access not only to martial weapons, but to the training that would allow them to defend themselves. This doesnt work with firearms (which, btw, were invented by chinese peasants to overthrow a regime that used a similar oppression strategy as the samurai). You can become a gun owner and stand on even footing with those you suspect are trying to oppress you.

Why don't you?

 

We could start by investigating the thousands of reported attempted gun purchases by prohibited persons each year. As it is, they try to buy a gun from a liscenced seller, are denied and reported to authorities, and nothing further is done. No contact, no investigation, no arrest, even though its illegal for a prohibited person to even try to buy a gun.

How can further restrictions be 'reasonable' when the ones we already have in place are thusly ignored by the authorities?

 

It appears that a number of the mass shooters had mental problems and were known to law enforcement, family members or doctors. That would appear to be a prime area to work on.

 

Yes, I guess I am dangerous. It's why we have a first amendment. That whole "government by the people" thing. We don't have guns so we can go duck hunting. We have them so if the government ever becomes too tyrannical, we have a means to end that tyranny. Just another of those numerous checks and balances that the founders intended.

I know you don't get the idea of a constitution, but the federalist papers are a great way to get a handle on the thinking, once you've actually read the text of the constitution.

 

You've just met him, as long as they want to excercise said property right.

 

You missed the point. Further You need a newer study and one that's nation wide. That one is nearly a two and a half decades out of date. Things have changed since 94. It also overlooks the fact that less than ten percent of guns are used in crime. Further I didn't say they stole them I said they bought them on the black market. There is a big difference there.

 

Within the past week 4 shot and killed in Sebring Fl. 2 shot and killed and 2 wounded in State College Pa. and 5 shot and Killed in Louisiana.All 3 killings committed by 21 year old white guys who clearly were unsafe to be trusted with a butter knife, let alone a gun.We have no way to determine the sane from the nut jobs.

 

This is a public forum. But I imagine you view the FBI as the "deep state", huh?

 

Aren't they? I've been misled.

 

good ol' lefties. You don't really have a question that you want answered, do you? I mean, you do, but not because you're curious.

You guys are hysterical.

 

The system of the united states is based upon the premise of innocent until proven guilty. Deal with it.

 

I agree...the left has been unsuccessful in proposing and passing any kind of meaningful gun control. What kind of controls, do you think, would be common sense and have a chance of passing?

 

What is classified as "common sense" by its supporters, what qualifies as "common sense" from an objective and realistic position, and what has a chance as passing a vote and becoming law, are three entirely different standards, none of which have anything to do with one another.

 

16 million guns alone in Texas. 16 million...tens of millions more across the country...have many have every been used in any type of crime? It’s not even a measurable percentage...

Your post is invalid based on that math alone...

 

None

Cats out of the bag.

200 million firearms in private ownership in the U.S. today...

No way to disarm the American population and thus no gun laws will be effective.

Throw in the fact that if somehow every gun in American was collected and destroyed new ones would find their way across the border daily.

The liberals want new gun laws because that make them simply feel good...the left is big on feelings I hear