Extremist-related killings in 2018 'overwhelmingly linked to right-wing' movements: ADL

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  1. The_Architect

    The_Architect Newly Registered

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    And I said I'd respond to what you wrote after you answered my questions. If you won't answer my questions, then I'll provide it for you:

    Socialists and/or Communists is the answer to all three. The political victims of the Holocaust were Socialists and Communists due to Hitler's disdain for both--they were the ideological enemies of Nazism, not part of Nazism itself.

    You also conveniently ignored what I posted, so I'll post it once again.

    Under Hitler, the party looked squarely to the middle classes and farmers rather than the working class for a political base. Hitler realigned it to ensure that it was an anti-socialist, anti-liberal, authoritarian, pro-business party - particularly after the failed Beerhall Putsch of 1923. The "socialism" in the name National Socialism was a strategically chosen misnomer designed to attract working class votes where possible, but they refused to take the bait. The vast majority voted for the Communist or Social Democratic parties.

    It's not my opinion, it's historical fact.

    And actually, there was a lot of privatization happening in Nazi Germany--an unprecedented amount compared to other countries at that time:

    Later, the Nazi regime transferred public ownership and public services to the private sector. In doing so, they went against the mainstream trends in the Western capitalist countries, none of which systematically reprivatized firms during the 1930s. Privatization in Nazi Germany was also unique in transferring to private hands the delivery of public services previously provided by government.

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    It is a fact that the government of the Nazi Party sold off public ownership in several State-owned firms in the mid-1930s. These firms belonged to a wide range of sectors: steel, mining, banking, local public utilities, shipyards, ship-lines, railways, etc. In addition, the delivery of some public services that were produced by government prior to the 1930s, especially social and labor-related services, was transferred to the private sector, mainly to organizations within the party.

    ...

    Even if Hitler was an enemy of free market economies (Overy, 1994, p. 1), he could by no means be considered a sympathizer of economic socialism or nationalization of private firms (Heiden, 1944, p. 642).


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    Although modern economic literature usually ignores the fact, the Nazi government in 1930s Germany undertook a wide scale privatization policy. The government sold public ownership in several State-owned firms in different sectors. In addition, delivery of some public services previously produced by the public sector was transferred to the private sector, mainly to organizations within the Nazi Party.

    http://www.ub.edu/graap/nazi.pdf


    How much more evidence do you need to accept historical reality? I've already provided two factual and in-depth sources.
     
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    Jonsa Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Real democracies have elections, but they also have all the institutions required to support it. You know like constitutionally guaranteed rights and freedoms and supremacy of the rule of law.

    The Nazi's had socialist elements within their platform. It was a strategic imperative given the economic conditions prevailing in Germany, where the bolsheviks were gaining ground within the proletariat, AND radical solutions were required to fix the clustermucked economy.
    But that is where it ends. The rest of their platform was extreme white nationalism in a single party dictatorship.
     
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    Fred C Dobbs Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    You can call it Fascism, Communism or Socialism, but all will do. The point in any of these 'isms' is government control.

    Once you hand over your personal freedoms to the government it will take an armed revolution to get them back.
     
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    The the US is fascist
     
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    Fred C Dobbs Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    The word 'outlaw' was never mentioned.
     
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    Fred C Dobbs Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    There's always that danger, which is why group identity politics must always be avoided and individual rights always be celebrated. When a politician tell you they can give you free stuff that's when you should start looking for another candidate or political party.
     
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    Yeah, when you call everything "right wing extremism" like "incels" I'm sure you think you're making a great case here.
     
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    White liberals don't need an ethnostate. They live in ethnocommunities already.
     
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    You could have 50 people killed by "right wing extremists" every year for the next 60 years and it still wouldn't add up to one 9/11 event.
     
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    Nah. Free stuff is great
     
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    That'd be a good point if it weren't for the fact that Islamic extremists are also right-wing. The ADL's list pertained to non-Islamic right-wing terrorism.
     
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    No, it doesn't. If you think it's 'great' then you've grown accustomed to mediocrity.
     
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    You misspelled excellence
     
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    Which is likely why you still live in your parent's basement.
     
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    I am quite well off and retired early. Lol
     
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    No one needs an ethnostate. It's a fascist daydream that places ethnic statist collectivism over individual rights.
     
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    I'm just saying that's where they live.

    You know, like the new CA governor moving out of the very "diverse" capital and driving two hours a day to live in a place that's 89% white.
     
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    Right.

    Islam is right wing.

    That's why leftists adore it.

    Tlaib and Omar are some raging conservatives.
     
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    Islamic extremists. Not Islam. The extremists are the hardcore conservative element of that religion as they are with other Abrahamic religions.
     
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    Which has nothing to do with ethnostates.
     
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    Oh you mean like Iran and how much Obama loved sending them money.

    Or do you mean like Democrat immigration policies that allowed the San Bernardino shooters into the country?
     
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    Sure it is, it's just a small one.
     
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    It really isn't. An ethnostate involves the use of government force. If you'd like to return to the topic, I'll be waiting there.
     
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    Oh, except you blame the NRA whenever a shooting occurs. Left wing hypocrite.
     
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    It was unfrozen Iranian assets in exchange for the nuclear deal that kept nuclear weapons out of Iranian hands.

    Want to talk about the Islamic terrorism that happened under the Bush administration, such as 9/11 (which he was warned about), or are you done with flinging whatever you can to the walls in the hope that something sticks?
     

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