Co-Founder of Greenpeace RIPS Ocasio-Cortez: “Pompous Little Twit… You Would Bring About Mass Death”

If the Space Program, a totally government enterprise until just very recently, had not required that we develop and miniaturize computers to the extent we have then we wouldn't have developed the marvelous machines we are connected with here today, and if the military had not launched satellites then we wouldn't have the worldwide communications network that we're talking on in the first place. Bill Gates once said computers might be good for storing recipes but not much else and Isaac Asimov opined that we wouldn't develop thinking machines for 200 years and even if we did make one equivalent to ourselves it would be the size of the Empire State Building and need the power of a city. Hell, Thomas Jefferson thought that the entirety of just his Louisiana Purchase wouldn't be fully settled for a thousand years, but he still sent Lewis and Clark to see if there really were Mastodons.. Government has its place in economic development, it invests in INFRASTRUCTURE, and infrastructure, whether it's canals. highways or satellites is expensive and almost never pays off by the end of the quarterly report

Most sustainable energy will cost the same or even much less than fossil fuels, once its generating facilities are built because after that there will be NO, or very reduced, fuel costs but that kind of investment doesn't pay off for long time, and until that happens it does cost more and may need government help to survive. AOC seems to realize this, Conservatives have no clue.

 

Where do you get that idea? It used to be that getting more for less was an overall design goal for anything, When did efficiency become unpatriotic? When did waste and profligacy become the American Way?

 

1) I did not say inferior technology, I said that renewables are an inferior energy sources to fossils due to the lower energy density. That's a physical fact. That means we need superior technology development to maintain the same energy consumption with sources of lower energy density.
2) Except for "the free market will solve it" and "it is complicated", I have not heard a single solution from you to our future problem. What are the energy sources that will replace fossil fuels? Give it a shot.
3) Politicians are rarely educated in matters over which they legislate. I am sure that Trump knows zilch about kWh and joules, yet he pushes the fossil fuels agenda and actively undermines alternative energy research. Why does he get a pass for knowing nothing but making rules affecting everyone, based on gut feeling rather than science?

 

The more people see of them the better Trump looks. Normal America won't want to turn over the keys to the economy to the equivalent of dope smoking adolescents.

 

Whilst Trump, Pence, Pompeo and Bolton are the new faces of the GOP. The more things change there, the more they remain the same old white guys with backward views.

 

Always with the race hustling.

 

Absolutely false. The foundation of modern technology, the silicon transistor, was developed at Bell labs for communication purposes before NASA even existed. The first integrated circuit was made at Texas instruments to put calculators in people's pockets, not spacemen into space. IBM was putting mainframes into insurance companies, banks and hospitals before they were putting them into NASA & NORAD. It's simply not correct that government investment is required to drive useful innovation. Useful things compete on their own merit. They don't have to be subsidized. Right this very second millions of advanced graphics cards developed for the gaming industry are being overclocked and used to mine bitcoin, not at the behest of NASA, but through the innovation of society on its own. Conversely AETNA and Bank of America are still using IBM mainframes because they are the most reliable and rapid way to store and access the monumental amount of data they manipulate and store.

Bell labs developed the first communications satellite. They're also responsible for cellular networks. The technology would be here with or without the military. Just look at the SpaceX program.

Never happened.

And thinking like this is exactly why innovative thinking needs to be spread out across the entire society, and not consolidated into a few elected gods. It's the folks that are trying to look to leaders like Asimov to tell everyone what to do. You're not making your argument. You're making mine. It's folks like me saying, let everyone use their resources as they see fit, and the best innovations will have a level competitive ground to prove themselves. You're the one saying, let's let folks like Asimov and Gates decide the direction of technology for everyone.

That's a projection based on the idea of zero risk in building such facilities. There isn't zero risk. In fact, risk is very high. So while you're busy forcing the entire society to subsidize the risk of solar power or wind power you're depleting the ability of innovators to risk on more viable solutions. You know there's a chemical solution to the CO2 emissions, right?

 

I see this website as having the highest concentration of TDS in the U.S., both in terms of numbers and severity.

 

It deserves it's own, dedicated MD.

 

I don't believe in the rapture, but why do you care what others think?

 

..don't count on it. The Progressive Propaganda Machine has been churning out useful idiots for decades, all nodding like bobbleheads at whatever the elite say. Skepticism, critical thinking, reason, and empiricism has given way to mandated truth. Each election, more and more of the 'free stuff for all!' crowd get elected.

Won't be any different in 2020. You don't need 2020 vision, to see that.

 

Thanks for highlighting the difference even more clearly. She's plainly very smart, while the ADS crowd can only parrot the kind mindless party propaganda that you just gave us. If she didn't leave you sputtering and helpless, you'd be able to do better.

 

Ah, the out-of-context technique. The desperate do what they have to do. Don't you have some funny pictures to show us as well? That always works.

So, given that you ran on ADS and PDS in 2018 and got pasted, why do you think even more hysterical ADS is the solution?

(I'm sure you'll all ramp up the Pelosi Derangement Syndrome again sometime soon, but for the moment, you've all clearly been instructed to concentrate on the ADS.)

 

That would kill many millions, when the lights went out and much of humanity was left shivering in the dark.

The free market doesn't predict. It reacts to what happens right now. Given that new infrastructure takes decades, the free market fails hard at infrastructure planning. It always has. It was evil gubmints that created sewer systems, after the free market created cities overflowing with excrement.

We liberals are the ones trying to keep the lights on, while conservatives would send much of humanity back into the stone age. Conservatism is profoundly anti-human in that regard.

If you want to live in a cave and hug trees, go right ahead. Just stop demanding it of us. We liberals like technology, so we'll keep working to keep the lights on.

 

No, there isn't, not an economically viable one.

Such practicality may not matter to you, but it does matter to liberals, as liberalism is essentially based on practicality. We don't base policy on "don't worry, some magical future technology will save us if we simply believe hard enough".

 

Thanks for pointing this out. The work that can be done from burning gasoline comes from the Gibbs energy change, which has both favorable enthalpic and entropic contributions. Putting the CO2 genie back into the bottle would negate the benefits we have from releasing it by burning hydrocarbons it in the first place, i.e. the product gases would have to be concentrated into hydrocarbons or some other molecule, which is associated with negative entropy change and, thus, requires work. In addition, a heat tax would have to be paid, so the process of recapturing would really require more energy than what is released by burning hydrocarbons in the first place. This is why carbon capture is a pretty idiotic proposition.

Second, I have said similar things in earlier posts in this thread. Simply relying on he free market to solve our energy problem is standard conservative thinking. Yet, this is not a business plan. If I would write a grant proposal and say: Don't worry the inhibitor I want to make will be made by competition through the free market, without actually having a plan, I would be laughed at and dismissed. Yet, such a "plan" is standard GOP policy.

 

Because some of them vote

 

As long as you asked,
A two-fer.

 

All those things we are talking about would have happened, yes, but it would have taken YEARS longer. Had the space program never existed we would just be launching the first communications satellites and everyone would be fascinated with handheld calculators

In 1950 Willy Ley wrote a book in which he described the actual manned trips to the moon in some detail. He set it in the year 2000

 

Hello again, everyone! Hey, I just bought a new computer - it's top of the line, has all the bells and whistles. I had to replace my last one - it caught on fire after I ran this post thru Google: Word Salad to English:

 

I'd say that it's more than a bit overweening but as far as the general upshot, he might be right. As another member just said, it boils down to how she picks herself up and dusts herself off. A "green new deal" is an excellent idea but it deserves some serious thought, not a jumpy and absurd and unpolished presentation. AOC needs a lot of help, and if she doesn't seek it out, no one will take the idea seriously.

 

The Right is desperately pounding the notion that GND is a law, and desperately pounding the idea that AOC is the entire liberal ecosystem.
Because bait-gloating is all they have left.
When actual candidates start running, they'll have to switch back to the old John Birch Society hysteria.

Sherrod Brown is going to confuse the crap out of them. Just one example.

 

Do you think you can change that? I'm sure they feel the same about you.

 

AOC says she's the boss, do you doubt her? Your pansy party is afraid to cross her. She's the gift that keeps on giving to the GOP.

 

Fox had her on video tonight as she came off her PLANE again instead of taking the train between DC and New York. The reporter asked why did she fly instead of taking the train like she wants everyone else to do. Her answers was a pompous "because of two hours of my constituents time".

EXCUSE ME you pompous-little-twit!!! .....what about the business people's two hours? What do they cost the company? What about their customers? What about the family on vacation and those wasted hours on the train? As I said in a socialist government it's the socialist who aren't under socialism the poor masses are. Do as I say not as I do I am more important than you because I am a government official.