American gun deaths

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  1. LafayetteBis

    LafayetteBis Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    The former outnumber the latter in the category "developed nation".

    Still, is there a more diversified country than the European Union? I doubt it - and yet they have chosen the model of the Social Democracy (whilst maintaining capitalist economies).

    PS: It would help if you learned how to quote a subject '"in play" (if you expect responses) as I have done above ...
     
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    Longshot Well-Known Member

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    The European Union isn't a country. It's a treaty among countries.
     
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    None of that is hard. Cost prohibitive? for me it is. But the process to purchase any class 3 weapon is very easy.
     
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    It is an extremely easy process. Definitely cost prohibitive for most people though, including myself. But I have no use for a machine gun, so I don't care. I have 2 suppressors, which is all I want in the class 3 area.
     
  5. LafayetteBis

    LafayetteBis Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    The US wanted unlimited freedom to own guns, and did not think of the consequences.

    Which are now upon the entire population. Happy Hunting (of one another) ... !
     
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    Well Bonded Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    The process is not easy and takes from six to nine months to complete.
     
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    You can make your own SBS, AOW or SBR. You just need to fill out a form 1.
     
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    You keep referring to price as if that has any relevance here. The PROCESS to purchase a class 3 weapon is extremely easy. I didn't say machine guns were affordable. If you've ever purchased a class 3 weapon, you would know how easy it is.
     
  9. LafayetteBis

    LafayetteBis Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Again you are incorrect, the FBI does not process the application the BATF does.

    Maybe get an idea of what you are talking about before posting any more incorrect information.
     
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    Well Bonded Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    A signoff is not required.

    https://www.atf.gov/firearms/qa/chi...n-law-enforcement-certification-atf-form-1-or

    Is the chief law enforcement officer required to sign the law enforcement certification on ATF Form 1 or ATF Form 4?
    No. Effective July 13, 2016, the final rule “Machineguns, Destructive Devices and Certain Other Firearms; Background Checks for Responsible Persons of a Trust or Legal Entity With Respect to Making or Transferring a Firearm” amends the regulations to eliminate the requirement for a certification signed by a CLEO and instead adds a CLEO notification requirement. Prior to submission of the application to the Director, all applicants/transferees and responsible persons shall forward a completed copy of ATF Form 1 or ATF Form 4, or a completed copy of Form 5320.23, respectively, to the chief law enforcement officer of the locality in which the applicant or responsible person is located. The chief law enforcement officer is the local chief of police, county sheriff, head of the State police, State or local district attorney or prosecutor. If the transferee is not a licensed manufacturer, importer, or dealer qualified under this part and is a partnership, company, association, or corporation, for purposes of this section, it is considered located at its principal office or principal place of business; if the applicant/transferee is not a licensed manufacturer, importer, or dealer qualified under this part and is a trust, for purposes of this section, it is considered located at the primary location at which the firearm will be maintained.
     
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    You do not seem to understand criminals,
    Cocaine is illegal, yet people get it in large amounts.
    Heroin is illegal
    Methamphetamines is illegal, yet it is somehow available to those that desire it.

    Fact, a man tried to take a female police officers gun, and at the time, I was in E.M.S. and this guy was dying, blood pouring out of his scalp, and I was told to "LET HIM DIE !" My job was to stabilize his injuries, which is what I did, I stopped the massive bleeding and took him to hospital as he remained in custody.

    Point is, if criminals want guns, or drugs, illegal or not, they will get whatever they want or need.
     
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    To make a firearm, and you still must pay a $ 200 tax in order to do so.
    And it requires another serial number to identify this particular firearm and your photocopy, the original paperwork is supposed to be kept securely.

    Funny how a 14 inch shotgun barrel suddenly makes you a felon.

    And yes, I am aware that an AOW is only a five dollar tax.
     
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    It would help if it were understood on the part of yourself that there is no country called European Union. Rather it is a land mass of multiple countries, just as the united states is a land mass of multiple states.
     
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    The process is very easy. I've been out of the business for about 5 years now, but when I was still in it back in 2014, the turn around time was 90 days.
     
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    I misspoke.
     
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    All very easy to do.
     
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    The wait time for the paperwork requirements, however, is not. Not everyone can afford to wait up to a year to be authorized to take possession of a firearm.
     
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    Wouldn't it be easier to just buy the item without any government interference?
     
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    Yes that would be easier.
     
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    That difficulty is based upon the level of patience of the buyer. I'm currently in ATF jail for two items. The purchase process was easy, however.
     
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    How will that stop kids from bringing guns into school? Do you think they will bring a gun through a metal detector?They will either climb the fence and hide it on campus or pull the fire alarm and get easy targets.

    On my way to the office, I pass 2 schools that have armed security opening the car door and escorting the student into the building. Politicians and banks have armed security. Why are kids less valuable?
     
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    Maybe we should eliminate schools. There's this thing called the internet...
     
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    And you think kids growing up looking at a screen will be less likely to commit murder?
     
  25. Longshot

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    Yes, actually.
     

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