No Collusion w/ Russia. No Collusion. No Collusion.

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  1. AmericanNationalist

    AmericanNationalist Well-Known Member

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    I have it on good authority that I colluded with the Russians. News at 10.
    This ridiculous utter farce has been an embarrassment to the Nation. 3 years in so far and NO collusion ;) Not "yet" anyway ROFL
     
  2. WillReadmore

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    If it were just Putin and his oligarch buddies doing it, we could take action oriented to making that involvement more difficult and/or expensive for Russia.

    BUT, Trump has BLOCKED that and it is pretty darn likely that Americans were involved in promoting that foreign involvement.

    And, THAT is counter to numerous US laws that must be supported here at home.
     
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    I've never been terribly interested in the "collusion!" diversion that Trump obsesses over, but hyper-partisan hysterics notwithstanding, Americans support the mission to defend the nation's democratic process against Putin's attacks.

    The reality that serious crimes were exposed, indictments issued, convictions obtained, and confessions elicited in the process is a plus and accrues to the betterment of the US.

    After the report is issued and Trump keeps his promise to come clean with his tax returns, he can concern himself with the other ongoing criminal investigations.
     
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    It was Facebook posts. Do you think you should be tried and imprisoned if you post a meme that isnt true?
     
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  5. WillReadmore

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    I think anyone who aids a foreign nation in tampering in our election in ANY WAY should do time.

    I do NOT appreciate traitors.

    Guessing at what Mueller's report will say about Facebook is just plain silly.
     
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    So all lobbying should be outlawed? We have many people lobbying on behalf of foreign govts, including weighing in on which candidates will be better for their clients.

    Comments about Facebook arent silly. Their role in 2016, and their continued role, as the medium by which foreign govts spread propaganda hasnt changed. We know this for a fact.
     
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    There is no nexus between a guy working for the Trump campaign one year and dealing with Russians years earlier. That's almost as bad as investigating a guy working on the campaign who also once took Russian in college. Besides, not meaning to be picky, but Manafort was not dealing with the Russian government which is also a limit on Mueller.

    Recalling the incorrect time or date of a meeting or conversation months or years earlier or misunderstanding a question is in fact a ticky-tack pissant crime. The possibility that one can nonetheless go to prison for such a crime doesn't make it otherwise. All of Mueller's indictments or guilty pleas either had no substance, were wrong, or had nothing to do with what Mueller was authorized to investigate. Even the agents that interviewed Flynn, including Strzok IIRC, didn't think he was untruthful, but simply inadvertent.
     
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    420 idgets and not a one with any care to DOJ rules and policy, confidentiality, or treatment of classified information.
     
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    Obama is the one who in 2016 told his counter-intelligence to stand down from investigating Russian interference in the election. Trump has blocked nothing.
     
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    There is nothing to prevent you fancying that all elected Representatives of the American People must be woefully ignorant if they don't share your partisan preference in any matter.
     
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    Elected Representatives of the American people who do not care about DOJ rules and policy, confidentiality, or treatment of classified information are either woefully ignorant or woefully stupid. And the fact that I, for one, do care does not let them off the hook.
     
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    Both Judge Ellis and Judge Berman said on the record at sentencing that the cases presented to them had NOTHING to do with Russia or Trump or collusion yet TDS-afflicted liberals insist that there are connections.
     
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    In an unprecedented show of bipartisan unanimity, 420 Congressional representatives affirm the public's right to know, and you need to pretend none of them "care about DOJ rules and policy, confidentiality, or treatment of classified information"?

    Do you realize how alienated from American values such a silly claim that Mueller's report must be concealed (along with Trump's promised tax returns?) makes you appear?

    The truth will out.
     
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  14. WillReadmore

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    Manafort has a relationship with oligarchs TODAY. And, these oligarchs are not university language instructors.

    Manafort's contacts absolutely ARE conectedd to Putin. One was former GRU. The fact that some of them are Ukrainian is NOT an indication that they aren't directly connected to Putin.

    Manafort is NOT going to jail because he incorrectly stated a date. Where did you get THAT idea? Seriously, I want to know.
     
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    I presume you know why Obama slowed the investigation of Russian involvement - which took place in the last months of a presidential campaign.

    This silly bit of partisan nonsense is as tiring as the "no collsion" nonsense. Try coming up with somethint that has some level of actual importance.
     
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    Very true. The judges (surprising for Ellis) could care less whether the prosecution was legally authorized.
     
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    Since it is against the law and the DOJ rules to disclose confidential or classified information, it would seem so.
     
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    I never said that applied to Manafort. It applied to Flynn and Papadupoulos and others. Association with oligarchs is not associating with the government. Associating with oligarchs who know Putin is not associating with the government. Associating with oligarchs per se is not colluding, coordinating. or conspiring with the 2016 election. Get real.
     
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    Of course I know. He did not want any negative overtones tainting Hillary's election to the presidency.

    "No collusion" is nonsense? Please let Mueller know -- not that he already doesn't know.
     
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    If you know what Mueller knows, please cite!!

    I'm sure EVERYONE would love to see that.
     
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    With Mueller office emptying, dramatic predictions remain unfulfilled.
     
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