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Sandy Hook- It's the guns fault, it's always the guns fault.

Discussion in 'Political Opinions & Beliefs' started by Richard The Last, Mar 15, 2019.

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  1. danielpalos

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    We have a Second Amendment and should have no security problems in our free States.
     
    danielpalos, Mar 20, 2019
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    Gun control laws are designed to disarm law abiding citizens. They encourage criminals to carry and use guns. Hence the security problems.
     
    Ddyad, Mar 21, 2019
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    A lack of faithful execution of our own laws. We have a Second Amendment and should have no security problems in our free States.
     
    danielpalos, Mar 21, 2019
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    All levels of government in the US should encouraged citizens to carry arms - especially when the criminal justice system has demonstrated that it cannot protect them.
     
    Ddyad, Mar 21, 2019
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    The defense and protection of the state and of the United States is an obligation of all persons within the state. The legislature shall provide for the discharge of this obligation and for the maintenance and regulation of an organized militia.
     
    danielpalos, Mar 21, 2019
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    The right to bear arms is an individual right. Surely you know that.
     
    Ddyad, Mar 21, 2019
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  7. danielpalos

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    Our Second Amendment is quite clear that it is about the security of a free State not natural rights.
     
    danielpalos, Mar 21, 2019
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    The OP is about a gun manufacturer being sued because of what someone did with one of the guns they made. Did anyone sue the ammonium nitrate manufacturer or Ryder Truck Rental after Oklahoma City?
     
    Richard The Last, Mar 23, 2019
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    Richard The Last, Mar 23, 2019
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    The sad reality is that we now have 10's of millions here illegally & don't even know exactly how many or who they are; definitely adds layers of complexity, on a myriad of fronts...
     
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    we should blame the right wing. do we have security problems or not, right wingers. if we do, then our militia acts already have an uniform rule of naturalization to make sure we can muster an army group in reserve. 10USC246.

    Is it really really serious or is the right wing just a bunch of whiners?
     
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    danielpalos, Mar 23, 2019
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    I suppose the warmongers would prefer your approach. There seem to be more left wing warmongers these days. Isn't that odd? ;-)
    Most reasonable people think that the American people should be encouraged to arm themselves.
     
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    unarmed Persons is not the problem. a lack of wellness of regulation is the problem.
     
    danielpalos, Mar 23, 2019
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    "wellness"? ;-)
     
    Ddyad, Mar 23, 2019
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    Well Regulated is a social concept not an individual concept.
     
    danielpalos, Mar 23, 2019
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    Even Left Wing legal scholars now admitted that the right to bear arms is an "individual right". I bet you know that. :)
     
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    no, I don't. that is just right wing propaganda. There are no individual rights in our Second Amendment. All terms are plural and require collective action.
     
    danielpalos, Mar 23, 2019
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    In fact the right to bear arms is obviously an individual human right. You need to read more right wing sources like The New York Times. ;-)

    "There used to be an almost complete scholarly and judicial consensus that the Second Amendment protects only a collective right of the states to maintain militias. That consensus no longer exists — thanks largely to the work over the last 20 years of several leading liberal law professors, who have come to embrace the view that the Second Amendment protects an individual right to own guns."
    THE NEW YORK TIMES, A Liberal Case for Gun Rights Sways Judiciary, By ADAM LIPTAKMAY 6, 2007.
    https://www.nytimes.com/2007/05/06/us/06firearms.html
     
    Ddyad, Mar 23, 2019
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    Except every other time in the BOR "the people" is used, it denotes an individual right...
     
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    our federal Constitution is express not implied, every time we have to quibble.
     
    danielpalos, Mar 23, 2019
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    Our Second Amendment is about the security of a free State not natural rights.
     
    danielpalos, Mar 23, 2019
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    Prefatory clauses do not modify or alter operative clauses. The operative clause is about the people's right to keep and bear arms.
     
    Reality, Mar 23, 2019
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    There are no natural rights in our Second Article of Amendment. The People are the Militia.

     
    danielpalos, Mar 23, 2019
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    Nonsense, even the militant gun control activist Laurence Tribe finally admitted the obvious - the Second Amendment protects and "individual right".
    Think it through - you are even smarter than Tribe. :)

    "Laurence H. Tribe, a law professor at Harvard, said he had come to believe that the Second Amendment protected an individual right.

    “My conclusion came as something of a surprise to me, and an unwelcome surprise,” Professor Tribe said. “I have always supported as a matter of policy very comprehensive gun control.”
    THE NEW YORK TIMES, A Liberal Case for Gun Rights Sways Judiciary, By ADAM LIPTAKMAY 6, 2007.
    https://www.nytimes.com/2007/05/06/us/06firearms.html
     
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    I only claim to resort to the fewest fallacies.

    All terms in our Second Article of Amendment are plural and collective.

    The People are the Militia.
     
    danielpalos, Mar 23, 2019
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