Georgia House passes monument protection measure

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  1. Talon

    Talon Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Yup, and the socio-economic differences between the ordinary people who did most of the fighting and the rich landowners who wrote the Articles was writ particularly large here in Virginia. When the wealthier eastern half of the state that had been dominated by planation owners in Tidewater (the coastal region of Virginia) voted to secede, the far less affluent folks in the mountainous western region broke away to form what would later become West Virginia. Since Virginia was a colony there had always been some tension and mutual disdain between the wealthier people in Tidewater who tended to be English and the poorer folks in the mountains who were largely Irish and Scottish. You still see remnants of that today which is why I think the western Virginians saw secession as a golden opportunity to part ways with the easterners who had dominated their affairs since their ancestors lived in Europe. Again, there was a lot more going on there than meets the eye (i.e., slavery).
     
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    Talon Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Well, Confederates are confederates. Their loyalty, first and foremost, is to their state.

    As an aside, one thing I found interesting about Grant's Memoirs is that he never referred to the Confederates as Confederates. He always referred to them as rebels. In doing so he never recognized the legitimacy of their secession and the existence of the CSA as an independent nation.
     
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    Thirty6BelowZero Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    See, brother? You shouldn't deplore the Confederacy for what the wealthy did ;)
     
  4. Talon

    Talon Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    As Mark Twain once said, The rule is perfect: in all matters of opinion our adversaries are insane.

    To Southerners, Northerners were tyrants and invaders.

    To Northerners, Southerners were traitors and rebels.

    As with just about everything else in life, the truth lies somewhere in between. Ironically, the only Northerners and Southerners who respected each other were the soldiers who did all the fighting. :lol:
     
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    Talon Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I love the South and its people, my friend, but I love the United States of America, too. I'm fortunate that I don't have to choose between the two. :beer:
     
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    If the people of one of the several states chose to leave the union, I would not consider them traitors. They haven't harmed any of the other states in any way.
     
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    The statues; we're discussing the statues.

    But better to honor the serial rapists of black slaves, eh? :(
     
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    ^ Nuclear thread win.

    Inclusion, not destruction.

    Expansion, not annihilation.

    Synthesis rather than concealment.
     
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    He was a slave rapist.

    That disturbs me.

    His statues have to go as well.
     
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    And while we're on the subject, who is buried in Grant's Tomb?
     
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    I think it has to be at the state level at the very least, maybe federal.

    These statues are now national treasures.
     
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    It was never about slavery for the North; that was a fig leaf.

    And the Civil War was brewing before Brown was even born.

    It was inevitable.

    The South always wanted a loose confederation, and as the tyrant Lincoln proved with his wanton terrorism, the North would choose to impose the Union's will.
     
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    Lincoln was a tyrant; the American Stalin.
     
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    Where do you thing the Lincoln Memorial is?

    Anchorage?
     
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    That's more like it! :chainsaw:
     
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    Fair point.

    But the statues are part of an irreplaceable shared cultural history, and should be treated as such.

    Or EVERYTHING gets torn down.

    Arbitrary cherry picking based on fad?

    :police:
     
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    Ridiculous.
     
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    I don't see how if the people of one of the several states chose for their state to leave the union how that would be in any way considered traitorous. They aren't harming any of the other states in the union.
     
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    It’s not like Lincoln and most all Yankees weren’t White Supremacists back in the day. They just had different ideas about solving ‘the Negro problem’..........something we struggle with to this day. Lincoln did not consider blacks equal to Whites.......and even proposed deporting them all back to Africa after the war. Should have picked our own cotton..........
     
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    You were virtue signaling whether it also serves your self interest as an artist or not. You don't know squat about what I know and don't but you can feel free to use Uncle Google to see if you can find out what I know. . You like to hint at legal knowledge but show zero evidence of having any, which most likely means you don't want to make any claims that might receive any scrutiny. We pretty much safely assume that whatever statements of your 'actuallys' come right out of your lower orifice.
     
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    They don't get to choose conditions, I don't believe the Union Army sent a message "Hey go ahead and destroy the guns and power and bullets and motor shells and food and shoes and burn down the bridges, let us know when you are done then we will move on in"

    And Army on the move is ALWAYS looking for supplies and ammunition.

    The historical fact remains the Confederates did not purposely burn down a large part of Richmond including up to the Capital. And besides that the Union Armies had a history of burning and destroying Southern cities and towns anyway, look what they did to Atlanta.

    And so there were Southern Hero's in the Confederate Army who gave their all defending their homes and their families and deserve to be memorialized.
     
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    So let's say today that Arkansas wanted to leave the Union, how would that play out today?
     
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    Hmmm, what Negro problem do you have to solve today?
     
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    They would say they are leaving the union and then they would no longer be a member of the union. Kind of like Brexit.
     

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