William Barr: DOJ 'Reviewing The Conduct' Of The FBI's 2016 Russia Probe

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  1. JakeStarkey

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    Nunes the truth telling is like Lucifer the truth teller. :)

    'Spying' has no more strength than Uranium One or emails: there is no strength jointly or severally in them.

    The attempted weaponization of the FBI by Barr is going nowhere. Rosenstein and Mueller will inform the American people if and as needed.
     
  2. Zorro

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    Then they should welcome the investigation that reveal their innocence, just as you folks encouraged Trump to.

    SURPRISE! Russian National Who Offered Dirt on Hillary Clinton Was an FBI informant.
    Very Curious, hope General Barr gets to the bottom of all of this.
     
  3. Professor Peabody

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    They need to start at the bottom and get each lower person to give up the one above to save themselves.
     
  4. PrincipleInvestment

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    Tells me only takes 1 page to say: the following person(s) colluded with Russia and obstructed justice. The only additional pages would be the grand jury transcripts that establish those facts. Muellers 400 pages aren't the sealed grand jury transcripts are they?
     
  5. Mac-7

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    That may have already happened with lisa page
     
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  6. JakeStarkey

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    as is normal from the right lately...they have no proof, only their "feelings".
     
  7. superbadbrutha

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    Mueller's report lays out the rampant misdeeds by this administration, sorry Trumpers you can't deny that this administration starting from the top is not corrupt.
     
  8. struth

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    This actually is the result of the Mueller Report. We know from the report there was no conspiracy, no collusion...which was the narrative pushed by the Obama DOJ, the left, and it's propaganda machine....so what is next? How did this entire narrative get started, who started it and why?
     
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    Can you list them for us please......
     
  10. Nemesis

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    It's online. You can download it and study it for days. Find the one sentence that's not awful news about Trump and endlessly quote it.
     
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    Thanks for sharing your ^^ feelings ^^ on "the right" ... :lol: Hopefully you'll come to accept that the FBI / DOJ investigators had nefarious intentions and completely ignored regs and protocol. When IG Horowitz again confirms the misconduct, and AG Barr subsequently prosecutes it.
     
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    When did you start putting a political party--as represented by one incompetent and dishonest grafter---over your country?

    https://www.vox.com/2019/4/18/18484965/mueller-report-trump-no-collusion

    "But did the Trump campaign actively work with the Russian government to improve its electoral chances? If that’s the standard, then the report provides plenty of evidence to suggest the answer is yes.

    First, Russia repeatedly reached out to the Trump campaign to establish a connection to the Kremlin. “The Russian contacts consisted of business connections, offers of assistance to the Campaign, invitations for candidate Trump and Putin to meet in person, invitations for Campaign officials and representatives of the Russian government to meet, and policy positions seeking improved U.S.-Russian relations,” Mueller writes.

    Second, the Trump campaign was receptive — sometimes going beyond what was on offer from the Kremlin. Some of the examples of this are egregious.

    Take Manafort’s meetings with Konstantin Kilimnik, a Russian political consultant with a history of connections to the GRU intelligence agency. The FBI believed had links to the Kremlin, a view shared by Manafort’s right-hand man Gates. “Gates suspected that Kilimnik was a ‘spy,’ a view that he shared with Manafort,” Mueller writes.

    Yet despite Gates’s suspicions, Manafort repeatedly met with Kilimnik, worked with him to develop a pro-Russian Ukraine policy that Trump could implement if elected, and regularly shared polling data with him:

    On August 2, 2016, Trump campaign chairman Paul Manafort met in New York City with his long-time business associate Konstantin Kilimnik, who the FBI assesses to have ties to Russian intelligence. Kilimnik requested the meeting to deliver in person a peace plan for Ukraine that Manafort acknowledged to the Special Counsel’s Office was a “backdoor” way for Russia to control part of eastern Ukraine; both men believed the plan would require candidate Trump’s assent to succeed (were he to be elected President).

    They also discussed the status of the Trump Campaign and Manafort’s strategy for winning Democratic votes in Midwestern states. Months before that meeting, Manafort had caused internal polling data to be shared with Kilimnik, and the sharing continued for some period of time after their August meeting.

    It’s possible Paul Manafort was acting without the candidate’s knowledge, and you could argue that this shouldn’t really reflect on Trump. But it’s clear from the report that the president openly encouraged his campaign to reach out to Russians and work with them.

    During a late March meeting of Trump’s foreign policy advisers, Papadopoulos told Trump about his attempts to set up a meeting with Putin. This, per Mueller, went over quite well.

    “Papadopoulos and Campaign advisor J.D. Gordon — who told investigators in an interview that he had a ‘crystal clear’ recollection of the meeting — have stated that Trump was interested in and receptive to the idea of a meeting with Putin,” per the report. Papadopoulos worked diligently afterwards to try to set up such a meeting, but was foiled largely by scheduling issues.

    At times, Trump was clear about his interest in Russian electoral involvement. This passage about email hacking, for example, in which Trump calls on Russia to get Clinton’s emails, then tells his campaign to acquire them.

    After candidate Trump stated on July 27, 2016, that he hoped Russia would ‘find the 30,000 emails that are missing,’ Trump asked individuals affiliated with his Campaign to find the deleted Clinton emails. Michael Flynn — who would later serve as National Security Advisor in the Trump Administration — recalled that Trump made this request repeatedly, and Flynn subsequently contacted multiple people in an effort to obtain the emails.

    Russia had, in fact, already stolen the text of many Clinton campaign private emails by then — so Trump couldn’t be involved in that particular criminal conspiracy. But the fact that Trump signaled that he was open to working with the Russians is nonetheless telling.

    What “no collusion” gets wrong
    The report is littered with evidence Trump and his staff were open to Russian interference in the election. Mueller explicitly concludes that “the Campaign expected it would benefit electorally from information stolen and released through Russian effort.”

    And there may very well be more evidence in the sections that are redacted.

    For example, Gates told Mueller about a conversation with Trump during a late summer 2016 car ride to LaGuardia in which “candidate Trump told Gates that more releases of damaging information would be coming” from WikiLeaks.

    Was Trump speculating? Or did he know that for sure, because of some kind of coordination with WikiLeaks (who was working with Russian agents to disseminate hacked Clinton material)? The section is heavily redacted, making it difficult to assess what’s actually going on.

    I want to be clear: I am not disputing Mueller’s conclusions on whether a crime was committed. Criminal conspiracy has a very particular legal definition, and Mueller is persuasive on why none of the activities detailed in the report constituted illegal “coordination” in a way that would run afoul of the statute.

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    “We understood coordination to require an agreement — tacit or express — between the Trump Campaign and the Russian government on election interference. That requires more than the two parties taking actions that were informed by or responsive to the other’s actions or interests,” Mueller writes. “We applied the term coordination in that sense when stating in the report that the investigation did not establish that the Trump Campaign coordinated with the Russian government in its election interference activities.”

    What the report finds is not clear-cut evidence of a quid-pro-quo. Instead, what we see is a series of bungled and abortive attempts to create ties between the two sides, a situation in which the Trump team and Russia worked to reach out to each other (and vice versa) without ever developing a formal arrangement to coordinate.

    Does that rise to the level of “collusion?” It’s a slippery term. But if “collusion” refers to a willingness to cooperate with Russian interference in the 2016 US election and actively taking steps to abet it, it seems to me that the Mueller report does in fact establish that it took place.

    But even if you find that definition too loose, the report’s message is not that there was nothing to worry about on the Trump-Russia front in 2016. Instead, it confirms that there were multiple shady connections between Trump and Russia, and that the president’s “no collusion” line is quite misleading. And at worst, the way it’s been presented suggests that the president and his attorney general are still actively trying to deceive the American people about what happened in 2016.

    There's more------
     
  13. Nemesis

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    Nice sourcing.

    See my post just above. Refute that, with more than "feelings".
     
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    Yet, still nothing...
     
  15. PrincipleInvestment

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    Besides the sentences that clear Trump and all his associates of conspiring with Russia? What about the sentences that indicate that out the 12 potential instances of obstruction, Mueller couldn't even conclude that obstruction occurred. Mueller's report doesn't say "on this date, Trump prevented this from happening". Hard to determine a "suspect's" guilt or innocence when you only "suspect" a crime may have been committed. :;):
     
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    Don't need to, I am pretty sure you have read the report. Oh I forgot Trumpers are in denial.
     
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    Mueller gonna get him, you just wait, you just wait. Mueller gonna get him, you just wait, you just wait. Any day now Trump is a goner. (rewind and replay for a minimum of two years)
     
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    and, you have nothing. We can read the report now, it's quite clear: No Collusion, No Obstruction and no indictments.
     
  19. PrincipleInvestment

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    Thanks for the suggestion professor ... but I'll just summarize information I previously sourced over the the course of 3 yrs. Glenn Simpson simultaneously employed Steele / Bruce Ohrs wife who were contriving a Russian collusion novella and Natalia Veselniskaya who was lobbying for Magnitsky repeal, and legally representing a Russian oligarch fighting Magnitsky sanctions. Trump Tower staged. Stefan Halper, Josef Misfud, and Alex Downer, all Cambridge associates enticed and in fact paid Papadopoulos to come to London. Staged. Roger Stone was approached by a Russian mobster that used an assumed name, Henry Greenberg, to infiltrate the campaign for the FBI. Greenberg tried to entrap Stone by offering dirt he didn't have, for $2 million. Staged. Ironically no one in Trump's camp even colluded with FBI moles who were dangling the Holy Grail of oppo research ...
     
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    You know Obama spied on Trump and that his stooges broke the law. You are just OK with it, as long as it serves your political machine.
     
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    So what?
     
  22. Nemesis

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    The report is quite the something.

    Mueller specifically stated that Congress can make the determination of whether there was obstruction. He also stated that the only reason that he didn't is because of DOJ policy that a sitting "presuhdint" can't be indicted. Barr lied about both issues, interestingly enough.

    Your orange moron idol is ****ed--as he stated himself.
     
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    Weren't there FBI agents fired for showing a clear bias against Trump?

    Like, several of them?

    Yeah...
     
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    Yes, at least fake lawyer Jay Sekulow did.

    Which could be problematic for Bonespurs J. Traitorass.
     
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    Take one line out of a paragraph... repeat, repeat, repeat.
     

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