Why didn’t god save Notre Dame?

Hey I will challenge god to a dual. I bet I can move a penny across a table faster than it can. In fact I bet I can beat god at any actual contest you can propose. Heck I can even put my finger under a faucet and part the waters. Lets see god do even that.

 

I don't know of any suggestion from Jesus that it would be a great idea to build to him a fabulous temple.

When the rich man asked how to get to heaven, Jesus told him to liquidate and help the poor - not build him a temple.

This fire does pose serious questions of modern day importance.

 

There's no reason to believe that there is a god who is interested in playing games with you.

 

Well God has spoken directly on the issues of both the unborn and all forms of sexual immorality not just homosexuality .

Prayer is not a vehicle for trying to get God to do what we want or what we think is right.
If God did not spare his only Son why would He spare a building?

As the apostle Paul wrote. "We see as through a mirror dimly."
God is not about places or things, the holy grail, the arc of the covenant these are of little value and notre dame of much lesser value than these.
Rather than asking why didn't God save Notre dame maybe ask why would He?

 

God is a tool designed by greedy men to take money from blind followers while at the same time keeping them in line.

 

——When did he start doing this

——what makes you so sure it is god speaking


——And if it is god speaking... why are we so much more concerned about sexual immorally than other things “god” apparently also said... like eating shellfish and pork?

lots of people seem confused on this point
Which itself is confusing
Given many people claim to believe and yet seem to reach out to god about the most mundane concerns

I cannot figure out why god would have to let his son be killed in order to forgive anyone. It is kind of like if i were to kill my son in order to forgive a naughty puppy... WHY?

Why would we take the word of a guy who never even met jesus? I mean... jesus had 12 disciples who followed him around Galilee (none of whom wrote anything down).... why are we listening to this guy paul?

Apparently Notre Dame had many relics inside... the crown of thorns for example... lots of so called christians place great stock in those things. Are they confused? And if so, how many so called Christians are not confused? It seems to me that if you add in all the people who ignore large parts of the bible.... you will have few Christians remaining.... which would make gods decision to let his son die to be even more of a puzzling waste

The more compelling question is why he would need to send his son to die at all.... it seems stupid to me

 

Agreed.

I thought your point was to somehow use his lack of doing everything for us as proof that he doesn't exist or doesn't care.

My mistake.

 

Not exactly a mistake

Clearly i would not expect god to do “everything for us”
Otoh, I don’t see him doing anything that impacts our lives

I do not think there is evidence there is a god...
Or at least not in a personal god that watches over and cares about us
I suppose there may be some incomprehensible being
But an incomprehensible god is a god we cannot even discuss

i do not think there is a god who sent his son to die for our salvation, nor a god who made a special arrangement with an insignificant tribe in the middle east

Concerning Notre Dame, i think this is just another example of why i think there is no personal god looking over events on this earth... i see a huge number of examples of events that seem
perplexingly inconsistent with the personal god as he is proposed.... and, conversely, i just do not see anything that i find at all convincing

 

I was watching a BBC tv prog yesterday called Dateline London focusing on religion (because it was Easter Sunday - normally it's more political); this female was waxing religious about press images of the fire and I thought 'I bet she'll mention that pic of charred timbers in the foreground, but an untouched golden cross in the backdrop, and hype it up as being some kind of a cryptic re-generation message from god.' This pic . . .



Sure enough - she did!

 

Suffering of humanity..... LOL.

 

Evidence is subjective. Proof is not.

 

When did God start speaking to us about sexual immorality?
Shortly after we started doing it.

How do we know? He had it written down.

Sexual immorality vs dietary restrictions?
Context. The dietary restrictions were given by God to a specific group of people not to everyone.

Praying for mundane things..
"Be anxious for nothing but by prayer and supplication make your request known to God."
God is not too busy for our mundane prayers.

Why Jesus died?
Because sin cannot exist in the presence of God. It was a choice between getting rid of us all in hell or dealing with sin.
Sin requires death.
Yes lots of Christians are confused probably all of us depending on the issue.

Seems stupid? "There is a way that seems right to man but the end thereof is death"

Is it a waste for a man to throw himself on a gernade in hopes of saving his friend?
No greater love has any man than this, that he lay down his life for his friends

Love is never stupid and never a waste.

 

Fun thing about God is you can make up whatever you like and no one can really tell you you're wrong, because there are no objective facts available to compare claims against.

Why did God not save Notre Dame?
God was punishing the Catholic Church for all the pedophilia and coverups thereof.
God likes Protestants more.
God's true testament is actually the Quran and hates all Christians as heretics and apostates.
God was napping when it happened.
God doesn't interact with the world, hence does not choose to intervene to save cathedrals or anything else.
...

 

God creates all good and evil ~ Isaiah 45:7

He didn't save Notre Dame because he destroyed it.

 

God decided it was time for a little tribulation to bring the faithful together.

 

Kinda like science. Make up whatever you want and call it fact.

 

Science only doesn't make sense if you don't understand how science works. For everyone else, it's not hard to understand. The scientific method is rather easy to understand; you just have to want to.

 

Yeah i agree. Lots of scientists don't use the scientific method. Or in even more cases political agendas claim science where none exsists and use it as a club against their political rivals.

Examples.

1. There is a gene that makes you gay.
Totally false

2. There are more than 2 genders.
Totally false

Both of these are commonly held scientific facts and anyone who disagrees is seen as a bad person who needs their voice suppressed.

 

Well said, the best scam in the world.

 

Yeah, I usually watch that but I turned the garbage off.

 

You are confusing religion with socialism.

 

The science is not clear on the above; it's all being studied by scientists, who are constantly attempting to disprove what other scientists have found. There are clearly more than two genders. About 1 in 2,000 people are born with both sets of genitalia. It's clearly a spectrum.

"Scientific fact," does not mean what you think it means.

 

So you support same sex marriage?

 

Stupid irrelevance.

 

I knew you were going to bring that up. Yes you could consider there to be 3 sexes.
Or rather 2 sexes and a combination.
My point and you know it is that gender and biological sex are the same thing and not based on how a person feels. You have a penis you are a male and therefore a He.
It's a biological fact yet society is running whole hog on the false idea that some guys are girls based on how they feel.

Totally bogus and not scientific at all.
How someone feels does not determine what they are.