Every University will indeed accept the black kid over the white kid, given similar or lower test scores, activities, ect. That's the entire point of AA...to even the odds. And every time it happens, its a tragedy. Obviously NO ONE is saying what you said. But thats how you build a straw man. You build up your own argument and tear it down, then claim how smart you are for figuring it all out=) And when the privileged black kid gets the spot over the underprivileged white kid, that's AA falling on its face and dong the exact opposite of what its intended to do. Give the chance to the person who has less chances. And that's why its racist. Because race and gender play a bigger part than merit. But thats what scholarships are for. Give poorer kids a shot. Make them eligible for money wealthier kids don't have. The problem there is for all the middle class families that aren't poor enough or the right race or gender to qualify for many scholarships. But they can't afford it on their own. They're stuck in the middle. That's where the loan problems come in.
Like cd8ed mentioned, Diversity quotas are all the proof you need. Its not like Universities or Corporations keep files on how many under-qualified people they accept or choose to hire in the name of diversity. They just need to hit that quota every year and will reserve as many spots as they need to, to hit it. If the kids drop out, or get fired later, doesn't matter. They hit their quota and the next year, they'll hit it again. You think Universities have their Discrimination lists saved and categorized, hehe=) If it ever got out, it would ruin them.
It's happening in every university and public sector employment that uses affirmative action: https://www.theatlantic.com/nationa...ainful-truth-about-affirmative-action/263122/ https://slate.com/human-interest/20...me-for-liberals-to-admit-it-isnt-working.html I actually have no problem with admissions based on income diversity, where poor kids are able to balance the advantage that private prep schools and SAT tutors bring to the affluent. But everything else is simply racism. And I certainly don't have to point out that many on the left believe minorities, even with the advantages wealth brings, are too stupid to compete with others, do I? It's the bigotry of low expectations in action...
Right, so let me try this again... Do you have any stats showing how many “better qualified poor, white students” are not able to go to college because a black or other minority got in?
Ugly is always at a disadvantage, no matter the race. In fact, how others see you may be one of the most overriding influences on ones personality. A good looking kid who grows up to be a good looking adult, has an entirely different outlook on life than an ugly person. A good looking person has the constant experience of others looking at them approvingly whereas ugly people don't. Same goes with fat. A fat person is treated significantly different than a skinny person. It effects their personality. If you really want to know, most black people aren't all that good looking. In fact, the best looking Blacks are half white. But then, most white people aren't all that good looking either. It may be that most people aren't all that good looking. Even a good portion of people who get passed off as good looking, like the Kardashians, aren't all that pretty. By the way, I am a good looking white man with blue eyes and blonde hair. Time and time again I have been reminded the advantage it gives me. Like when the girl in the Deli gives me extra fries, or the clerk in DMV office offers to retake my picture, because it wasn't as good as it could be.
I prefer not to attack you right back. The most unhappy rich person i met was the mother of a young man I knew for a time. Her son was maybe 19 at the time and wanted a brand new Corvette. Even though the modern Corvette is so much faster than his new 1962 Corvette was, it shook her up. Roger was an only child. Fred his father got super rich from Safeway Stores. He had a long term contract that made him very rich. Roger got the new Corvette and came to me to get me to put a very powerful engine he purchased into his car. I took his car in and replaced his powerful stock engine with the very high horsepower racing engine. It did not take too long and he got into a serious wreck. His engine ran in a drag car at the speed of 158 mph in 1/4 mile. So it had plenty of power in 1962. Roger loaned his engine to a race team who set a record speed. I was at his home and heard his mother tell him she would buy herself a new Corvette to make him worry about mom. She figured it might prevent him from another new corvette to replace his wreck. He was persuaded by his parents to let them buy him a more expensive Jaguar. But he also got a brand new drag racing ski boat with a high horsepower engine for it. I sold that engine to Roger. Roger put his Jaguar and his ski boat in the Oakland Roadster show and I think he took first place. Added to that his parents bought him a drag racing coupe. I think it was a 32 ford coupe with it's racing engine. This dried up his tears. The rest of the rich were happy in my view.
If you look at what is happening, the affirmative action students are replacing the students at the bottom. Students that aren't likely to ever finish anyhow.
Your first mistake is to compare categories, in which more than one variable is changed at a time. If you want to assess white privilege, you have to compare with non-white privilege, wile keeping all other variables constant. For example, you can compare rich-white with rich-non-white, but you can't compare rich-non-white with poor-white. The concept is well explained here, using math: https://www.ted.com/talks/eugenia_c...ol_for_understanding_inequality_abstract_math
When I first applied to college, I send my application in a couple of days too late. As a consequence they rejected me, telling me I'd have to wait until next year. However, someone told be that it was possible to sign up for classes, without being formally admitted. So,on the day new students signed up for classes, so did I. I wasn't formally admitted until I was in my third year.
It's not all good being better looking than everyone else. I'm constantly triggering people's inferiority complexes, am the target of jealous boyfriends, husbands, and fathers of daughters, am the target of people who seek out positions of authority et cetera I'm actually thinking of writing a book about what it is like being better looking than everyone else. It's not all good.
If there are 10 spots open, 11 people are eligible with one of those individuals being <insert desired ethnicity> with a racial quota that remaining person was disqualified due to race. Here is a scotus example since you believe it has never happened https://www.oregonlive.com/today/2016/06/us_supreme_court_rules_against.html
You’re not paying attention to what I’m actually asking. There isn’t one white kid who isn’t able to get into college because of AA.
Maybe not college in general but certainly specific universities. You are trying to trivialize that people are being denied admission based on nothing but their race. Wars have been fought over similar issues.
I just showed you an example. Google is fairly simple to use Are you really saying that quota systems don’t burden anyone? Really?
You want universities to document their racism and bigotry? They admit they use AA for admissions. That is all the proof you need. But I’m glad you approve of the bigotry.
So no stats on how many people are affected. Got it. And still, no white kid has ever not gotten into college due to AA.
Provide stats as to how many black people or women have ever been denied a job strictly due to racism or sexism? Oh, that's right. That's not actually documented either. All we have is perception, opinion, stories and hearsay. Obviously it happens. And obviously for AA to function, white males HAVE TO be denied to make space for others. So got it. The fact you don't believe the entire concept of AA or that it exists, proves its a pointless conversation. No study, statistics or documentation would be enough for you anyway. I have a personal story. I was given 4 resumes to look over and conduct interviews for a recent position. None of them were white. And once I was done with my interviews it seemed impossible that these 4 were the best of the best. All qualified. All perfectly fine candidates. No one extraordinary. But no white guys. Do you think I could call up HR and ask them why there were no white people? I'd be chatting with an HR rep if I asked such a thing=) But you think there should be documentation of the race of every resume and why we denied them? Really? I'm thinking you've never held a job in your life, worked in a corporation and certainly never were in a position to make hiring decisions.
And no one is denying it. I agree with all of it. And it all comes back to lie of "white" privilege, which was the whole point. Simply being white doesn't offer you any advantage, if you're fat and ugly or poor. Economic and genetic privilege is the true deciding factor because it all overrides race.
You got 4 resumes from non-whites because that is who applied. Correct me if I'm wrong but resumes don't have the persons race on it. So HR wouldn't know in many cases if a person was white or black. You're still not paying attention to what I'm saying in regards to AA with getting into college. No white kid have ever been denied getting into college. Think about that for a second instead of replying on emotion. No white kid has ever been kept from going to college due to AA. And AGAIN....for the third time, I have no problem getting rid of AA. I have NEVER stated it should still be a policy. So there's that
