Progressives are responsible for Trump

Far left Democrats like Elizabeth Warren, Julian Castro, Tom Steyer, Rahshida Tlaib, Kamala Harris, Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, and Maxine Waters are playing right into Trump's hands by urging impeachment.

Trump wants to be impeached. Why? So the Senate will vindicate him and he becomes a martyr, a victim of Democratic overreach, running for President.

The Democratic leadership frowns on talk of impeachment and stresses investigations to weaken the Trump Presidency. Trump is pretty close to being unable to govern as his administration is mired in litigation. The leadership wants to run against a crippled candidate, not a martyr.

The progressives can't seem to understand that concept.

Medicare for all may be a great idea, emphasis on "may," if it is structured properly, but the country will not be ready for it in 2020. The goal in 2020 is to defeat Trump. However, it would appear that the progressives are doing all they can re-elect Trump.

Even an eight-year old is critical of the green new deal as sponsored by Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, D-N.Y. “Like, I want to talk about, like, climate change. Because, like, there’s no doubt cow farts are making the climate change,” Ava Martinez said after donning Ocasio-Cortez-inspired glasses and red lipstick.

What do you think Trump will do with that far left proposal?

Bernie Sanders came up with a new idea that is too much even for progressives. Sanders called for all prisoners to be allowed the right to vote. Trump is hoping and praying that Sanders gets the Democratic nod. He thinks running against Sanders would be fun.

Speaking of Sanders, it can be argued that progressive is responsible for Trump. In 2016, Sanders, an Independent from Vermont, ran against Hillary Clinton for the Democratic nomination. Sanders promised a lot of free stuff, free medical care, free college tuition. guaranteed income for all, and so on. As a consequence, he attracted a lot of young, naive voters facing life's uncertainties.

As we all know the Democratic National Convention chose a Democrat, Clinton. Sanders cried foul, accusing the DNC of preferential treatment toward Clinton. His young, wide-eyed followers believed him, and many of them expressed their anger by either refusing to vote or, incredible as it may seem, voted for Sanders' direct political opposite, Donald J. Trump.

Clinton lost the election by less than 80,000 votes in three states, Wisconsin, Michigan, and Pennsylvania. It is logical to assume Trump became our President because of a progressive named Sanders. Sanders won the Wisconsin and Michigan primaries in 2016, and received nearly 732,000 votes in Pennsylvania.

Are progressives going to do it again? Or will they play it smart and wait until there is a Democratic administration before trumpeting their far left ideas?

Fully 12 percent of people who voted for Sen. Bernie Sanders, I-Vt., in the 2016 Democratic presidential primaries voted for President Trump in the general election.

https://www.npr.org/2017/08/24/5458...voters-ended-up-supporting-trump-survey-finds

https://thehill.com/blogs/pundits-b...last-look-2016-polls-actually-got-a-lot-right

 

I don't know about impeachment. Until I dove into the Mueller report, I was against it, now I'm not sure. Trump's crimes in office are impeachable, but it carries political risk for the Democrats. I sense public sentiment, since release of the Mueller report, has begun to swing toward impeachment thereby mitigating some of the risk. Another emerging factor is Trump has begun "thinking" maybe having an asterisk after his name in a list of presidents might not be too cool. He has decided to take on the judiciary going into full bore attack in hope the judiciary will roll over like his business victims. Boy, is he in for a shock.

Trump has repeatedly attacked the American judicial system and since that system is run by human beings, it's likely it hasn't set well. The system can speed things along should that be the desire as it has been in these matters. I project Trump's challenges to Congress on subpoenas and executive privilege will sail through the courts with rulings unfavorable to Trump. The public hearings, even if only previous testimony to mueller is aired, will be devastating.

 

The judiciary has nothing to do with impeachment.

I agree with you, there appears to be grounds for impeachment, but that is not the point. The Trump Republican Senate would not convict Trump if he was guilty of murder. Trump would be vindicated by the U.S. Senate. Do you really want that?

Do you agree, Sanders is responsible for Trump and the progressives aren't helping now?

The majority of Americans do not favor impeachment.

 

I thought colluding with 13 Ruskie FB trolls, and the Kremlin propagandist Julian Assange is how Trump got himself elected? Turns out it was the filthy commie in our own back yard, Bernie Sanders? Do nothin' (D)'s in the House might want to start rounding up Bernies collegiate commie cohorts and begin congressional hearings. Their "un-American activities" i.e. thinking, voting, must be stopped. Course campus commies are light years ahead of progs in terms of fascism and political persecution. Circular firing squad

 

What could be included in your list is those "I am a Republican but will do nothing to help the Republican cause and in fact, I will do everything I can to publically complain about everything Trump says and does". Those are the most gutless and devious of all.

 

I was confident (monkeys will fly out of my butt confident) in 2016 that Trump would not win. I was no Hillary fan, but I just couldn't imagine we would elect Trump. I was wrong. I have looked at all the reasons for his election, and will not underestimate him again when it comes to an election.

As for the progressive's role, I do agree that nominees swinging too far left for public comfort is a boost for Trump (the devil you know, and all that...) But I am sickened at the notion that Dems are playing stategic political games when looking at impeachment possibilities. If they are confident in the allegations of obstruction, they have an obligation to the people who elected them to do their jobs - not just worry about the 2020 election. And if they make a strong case - let the Senators up for re-election explain why they voted against a move that was in the best interests of the country.

 

What I see shaping up is Crazy Uncle Joe becoming the Hillary of 2016 and all the Bernie Freeshit Sanders folk doing the same thing they did in 2016. Prepare yourself Bernie Bros, there is another spoiler in the wings. Bernie would do well to pay a lot of 12-year-old girls to stand in the front row of all Biden rallies. That ought to derail Bidens thought pattern.

 

A typical Trump fan.

 

Who is critical of the "Republican cause?" Did you even read the OP?

BTW, Trump isn't a Republican. For most of his political life he was a Democrat, and he contributed to Hillary's campaign in 2008. He has contributed heavily to the Clinton Foundation. https://www.politifact.com/punditfa...nald-trump-donated-100000-clinton-foundation/

In addition, Trump is far too liberal. Protectionist tariffs are a liberal concept, and the GOP is the free trade party. A true Republican believes in the sanctity of the Constitution and the Framers. Trump keeps challenging certain clauses in the Constitution and currently the Trump White House is violating the law; failure to turn over tax returns, telling White House staffers to ignore Congressional subpoenas. Goldwater is rolling over in his grave at all this. So is John Hancock.

 

So finally you agree with me as I have told you that very same thing for nearly two years. Now that you are starting to understand that fact you should be embracing your newfound democrat friend.

 

This speaks volumes that the term "liberal" has been bastardized beyond recognition. Liberal used to stand for liberty and putting the citizens of the USA first and foremost. Now it's a dirty, filthy term for proggie village idiots........whose beliefs are so whacked out the founding fathers are probably unearthing their own caskets. It is sad. We've become a nation that's 45% cucks.

 

It seems the left were so caught up in trying to "out-left" each other sitting in their BlackLiesMatter and male menstruation symposia, that they lost sight of the people who actually matter: Everyday Americans who want to build a family, have a decent job, maybe take a vacation once in awhile. Trump brilliantly tapped that vein and kicked Mdme. Cankles right where the sun don't shine, sending her to the bottom of a Chardonnay bottle. I hear she's come up for air a few times... once to blame male chauvinist pigs (apparently non-menstruating) for her unceremonious thumping, and once to go on tour with a grey-haired *****-raping, lip-biting letch who was once president, presumably to make some jing... those magnums of Rombauer don't pay for themselves.

 

"Typical" Trump fan? 4 year degree, small business owner, middle class income earner? There's another liberal narrative down the crapper. ::

 

Sandy!

After all this time, finally some thoughtful commentary on your part.

I think you finally figured out why Trump won, and it wasn't so much Hillary drifting to the left during the primaries (although, as you point out she would be considered rightwing vs the current leftist extremism we're seeing with the Dems now) as it was people simply sick of the status quo. You observed this yourself, with former Bernie supporters voting for Trump.

Early in the primaries, I was expecting – and dreading – a Jeb Bush vs Hillary Clinton election. It seems many other people were as disgusted with this possibility as I was. I wasn't a Trump supporter and went Libertarian Party, wasting my vote, because I thought Trump, a former Democrat, would be as bad as Hillary when it came to issues I'm concerned about.

Now, if it's Trump vs Kamal or Warren or any of the other far left wackjobs the Democrats are offering, I'll gladly vote Trump.

If it's Biden, not sure; just depends how much he panders to the extreme leftists in his party during the primaries...

 

Told me what? That Trump is far too liberal to be a true Republican? You have said that? I must have missed it.

As a Trump fan, you're funny.

 

Impeachment is a political excercise, not a legal one.

 

I'm with her.

The Danger in Not Impeaching Trump
It may be risky politically, but Congress has a responsibility to act.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/04/25/...l?action=click&module=Opinion&pgtype=Homepage

The decision facing the House Democrats over whether to proceed with an impeachment of President Trump is both more difficult and more consequential than the discussion of it suggests. The arguments offered by House leaders, in particular Speaker Nancy Pelosi, against it are understandable, including that impeachment could invite a wrenching partisan fight; render the party vulnerable to the charge that it’s obsessed with scoring points against Mr. Trump; and distract Democrats from focusing on legislation of more interest to voters.

But the Democrats would also run enormous risks if they didn’t hold to account a president who has clearly abused power and the Constitution, who has not honored the oath of office and who has had a wave of campaign and White House aides plead guilty to or be convicted of crimes.
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It's not an easy choice. If it backfires we could have this disastrous, lying, orange buffoon for another term. That will unquestionably do more irreparable harm. But can we allow this degree of corruption and lawlessness to go unchecked?

 

Thank you.

I have known all along how Trump won. Most of all, he was very lucky. A series of odd twists that all went in his favor.

The Russians helped Trump with a daily barrage of hacked emails trashing Clinton from July right through to Election Day.

The young, immature Sanders voters who felt cheated and skipped voting or voted for Trump.

Comey re-opening the Clinton investigation eleven days before Election Day. The Sunday before Election Day Comey said it was all a mistake, but the damage had been done.

Trump won in the Electoral College by less than 80,000 total votes in three states, MI, WI, and PA.

It is almost freakish the way Trump won. If any of those things didn't happen we would have a highly experienced President in the Oval Office except the bumbling idiot we have now.

I have serious doubts any of those far left wack jobs will get the nod. By and large, Americans are conservative. Most Americans today, weary of Trump's lying, creating chaos, and idiotic tweets are yearning for an experienced moderate. A moderate like ...

Biden will do what it takes to win the primaries. Then he will kick butt when it comes to the general election.

That's assuming Trump is the GOP candidate. If he isn't, depending on who the candidate is, all bets are off.

I am yearning to return to my conservative roots.

 

Of course the judiciary has nothing to do with impeachment except in their ability, like the chorus in a Greek play, to set the tempo and provide narrative. In that role, the judiciary can disembowel Trump by moving his questioned congressional subpoenas at lightning speed through the courts. The thing that is delightful in all this is that Trump's conservative judges will be on the accelerator. You see, these folks love the law.

Once this little matter is settled, it will dawn on the subpoenaed that denying one will bring the cops to your door.

 

It will backfire.

 

The Democratic leadership is responsible for Trump.

They lost the election, they have engaged in awful politics resulting in the alienation of the voters.

And they can’t help but blame everyone but themselves for their failures.

 

There are some who consider themselves intelligent when they say they are anti-establishment. When it comes to politics, more specifically, the Presidency, I dearly would like to ask these people a question.

Despite the fantasies some people have as to how terrible the establishment is, I would ask, what is wrong with the establishment? Let me put it a different way. What do you have against experience?

Would you take your children to someone for medical care who never attended medical school or practiced medicine? Would you hire a plumber who had absolutely no experience in plumbing? Would you ask someone with no experience in automotive care to fix the engine of your car?

Why in the world would you vote for a President who had no experience in government?

Someone experienced in medical care, an experienced plumber, and an experienced auto mechanic are, in the real world, the establishment. The establishment is what a person wants in their daily lives, but somehow the establishment is wrong if it pertains to the governing of our nation? That makes no sense!

The most compelling argument for an experienced executive in the Oval Office is Donald J. Trump. Those who voted for him voted for anti-establishment, voted against experience. Trump is so bad his own supporters can't defend him. They don't even want to talk about him. The Trump administration is so tied up in alleged crimes and litigation, it can't govern.

Trump is what happens when one votes with anti-establishment principles in mind. For 25 years we have voted for a President with little or no experience to run our country. We have paid the price for that mistake ...

Over and over again. One was impeached for sexual promiscuity. Another launched an aggressive war that killed 5,000 Americans. Another was an inexperienced black President and that caused irreconcilable racial differences, and he was followed by the idiot we have now.

That is the record of the anti-establishment or inexperience executive. Sad, isn't it?

 

In essence, the argument here is for progressives to sit down, shut up and see what the moderates hand over in a candidate, then they need to sit down, shut up and see what platform the moderate picks and which VP the moderate picks. They need to sit down, shut up and wait until they are told to mobilize the base for the candidate that got shoved on them, and the platform that got shoved on them and somehow persuade their fellow progressives that their voice, which was constantly ignored before they needed their votes, will still matter when they no longer need their votes.

Hmmm I see problems with this strategy.

 

"But the Democrats would also run enormous risks if they didn’t hold to account a president who has clearly abused power and the Constitution, who has not honored the oath of office and who has had a wave of campaign and White House aides plead guilty to or be convicted of crimes."

They are holding Trump accountable. They are doing so with their investigations, and the Trump White House is responding by closing itself to Americans and looking very guilty. There hasn't been a press conference in 45 days. Secrecy and silence will not win votes in 2020.

Which brings me to my point. There is no chance at all that the Republican Senate will convict Trump. Instead, Trump will become vindicated, a martyr, a victim of Democratic overreach. The Republicans can spin, too, and they are pretty good at it.

What is a likely result of that? Another four more years of Trump!

This is not a good time to become overly righteous, to feel impeachment is a duty for House Democrats. This is time to be pragmatic. Trump must be crippled. He must be defeated in 2020. That is the objective, not impeachment.

From your source, "But even if the Republican-controlled Senate doesn’t vote to remove Mr. Trump, a statement by the House that the president has abused his office is preferable to total silence from the Congress. The Republicans will have to face the charge that they protected someone they knew to be a dangerous man in the White House."

Is that a joke? What a bunch of wide-eyed, naive, progressive political nonsense. Is the woman who wrote that a closet Republican? Impeachment is what Trump and his people want. Impeachment plays right into their hands because they know for certain Trump will be vindicated. That is trial that takes place in the Senate, and Trump will have some very good lawyers. The author seemed to have forgotten that part, and the fact that the Republicans, who control the Senate, will have their narrative. It will be good, trust me on that.

But the House can say the president abused his office!!! Geez.

Welcome to four more years of Trump if this writer gets her way.