Do American know how much trouble they are in?

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  1. jcarlilesiu

    jcarlilesiu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    It couldn't be that America isn't in love with your flavor of liberalism. Nope that can't be it. It must be that the election was hijacked...

    Give me a break.
     
  2. EarthSky

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    Which leftists have started our wars all around the globe?
     
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    MolonLabe2009 Banned

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    The majority of our wars were started under Democratic Presidencies.
     
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    Sounds like you are worried that Trump will get another four or under your concern 100 years of rule.. Try and think within a perspective of logic, even Mr Obatard could change a country in eight years and that's what he ran on ;)
     
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    Recent list??

    WIlson (WW1), Roosevelt (WW2), Truman (Korea, Cold war)... Kennedy (Cuba, Vietnam).. Johnson (Vietnam, Cambodia, Laos) ... (not really carter, but...Afghanistan. oh and forgot central and S. American conflicts.) Clinton (Bosnia, Kosovo, Iraq, Somalia, ) Obama (Afghanistan, Egypt, Libya, Iraq, Syria, Nigeria, DRC, )...

    I mean, there are a LOT of examples...
     
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    Iraq and Afghanistan, the longest American war ever, and the war on terror were all started under Republicans. You are ignoring the biggest and most dangerous warmonger in the entire American political spectrum to focus on leftist presidents?

    The reason Bolton matters is because he is about to lead you into yet another disastrous ME war which doesn't seem to matter to you in your obsession with blaming leftists for everything.

    There are very few real leftists in positions of power in your government anyway.

    The democratic party establishment talks the language of traditional liberalism but rules on the right and is beholden to the same corporate power that Republicans are.
     
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    Wilson did not start WWI and Roosevelt did not start WWII. Obama did not start Afghanistan and Clinton did not start Iraq.
     
  8. struth

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    Most informed Americans certainly do, they saw mad max literally ask bankers about student loan forgiviness...unaware she voted for a law that turned the business over to govt almost a decade ago! We see dem leadership in the house! We know the sort of danger we are in!!
     
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    And you are giving a complete pass to both Bushes, Reagan et al. and ignoring the neo-conservative doctrine for full-spectrum domination of the globe as written in the PNAC to which John Bolton was a signatory.
     
  10. Jimbo11

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    I think the wolf, at the boy, right? Well..Trump is well on the way to eating this country...
     
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    Trumpettes think they can continue to say a LIE over and over and eventually everyone will fall in line and take it as the truth.

    The report clearly said that, at least in the case of Obstruction of Justice, Trump IS NOT exonerated. It was his agent, Barr that said he did not see Obstruction of Justice. Now, let's see...

    Barr was appointed by Trump after Barr wrote a convincing resume stating that the president is above the law. Rosenstein said that Trump was not guilty of Obstruction of Justice after he made the "wire Trump" comment and was called into the WH. Trump made the deal with him then. You let me off the hook and I will let you stay in your job and not take away your retirement.

    Folks, face it, voters gave the nod to a Mafia Boss to be president. If you gets four more years in 2020....the Trump monarchy will begin. His children will carry on his Authoritarian regime. So.....

    PUTIN WINS AGAIN!
     
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    Now there is some serious nonsense.

    More nonsense. The only reason the house subpoenas things is to get more things to torment Trump about since the Russian collusion didn't work. None of it relates to their job which is legislation. Don't get me wrong, I like that congress isn't doing anything and that gridlock reigns supreme. I hope they keep it up. I was just pointing out the nonsense and hyperbole,
     
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    You would have to put plenty of mayo and ketchup on it for that to happen.
     
  14. Jimbo11

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    Tell me when your Great Leader admitted that Russia hacked our election....tell me what he has done to prevent it from happening again...Go ahead.....tell me.
     
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    Hmm.... I would suggest that it was Wilson's policies that greatly contributed to the start of the first world war. he may not have started it, but he surely was one of the facilitators of it. Roosevelt and his policies were directly responsible for the Japanese expansionism. Again, he might not have "started" it, but he is surely deeply responsible for it. His policies in Europe greatly facilitated the rapid disintegration of Europe, etc. Obama rekindled the war in Afghanistan, further stoking the rise of ISIS that he intentionally ignored as it fomented in Iraq because of his policies there. Clinton was directly responsible for the isolation that Iraq felt that constantly challenged US no fly zones and directly stoked the fires of Nuclear weapons development programs in Iraq. He may not have been in the seat when the war initiated, but he clearly lit the fuse that caused it.

    Now, these folks all were abetted by lots of others. But, these were the commanders at the time, and they all bear the responsibility for their actions or lack thereof that fueled the conflicts during their tenures.
     
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    The question wasn't what did republican presidents do. I would argue that the majority of republican presidents have done what they've always done which is to clean up after the disasters of their previous administration's failures. Reagan having to clean up after the BS Carter left us. Bush having to clean up after the mess Carter left us, Bush Jr having to clean up the mess Clinton made. And on and on. As we see today, Trump having to clean up after Obama.

    I would remind you that "neo-cons" are, to a person, democrats. They were "new" to conservative foreign policy, al la the Clinton folks who's disasters the world is still having to clean up. Bolton is a hawk who happened to support the neo conservative folks. He's not new at it.
     
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    Where does the number of American casualties for the "Global War on Terror" stand compared to other wars?

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    Obama bombed seven Muslim countries and issued a record number of drone strikes (more than his predecessor) after receiving the Nobel Peace Prize in 2009.

    https://www.cnn.com/2014/09/23/politics/countries-obama-bombed/index.html

    https://www.projectcensored.org/record-number-us-bomb-strikes-syria-obama-trump/
     
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    What history books have you read?

    Wilson campaigned on a promise to stay out of the "European War' but after the election broke that promise and began pushing for U.S. involvement. Then the evil Wilson pushed through the anti-First Amendment Sedition Act of 1918 and other constitution-crushing actions.

    FDR was trying his best to involve U.S. troops in WWII, after pushing through lend lease and other assistance for the Soviets and UK. Pearl Harbor, with an unprepared Navy that ignored warnings, allowed FDR to accomplish his goal.

    Then the evil FDR put American citizens in internment camps...
     
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    He has just turned all screening of government employees for access to classified materials over to the U.S.military, which he of course is Commander in Chief of????
     
  21. EarthSky

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    Some truth to all of this. I'm not denying that Democrats have been complicit aggression and militarism.

    I was responding to another posters claim that it was all leftists STARTing wars around the globe.

    I would argue you have not had a real leftist president since Carter but even he armed the most violent and dangerous jihadists in Afghanistan in order to draw Russia into it's own Vietnam so not exactly a pacifist he.

    Military intervention seems to be a facet of US foreign policy across the political spectrum - no?
     
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    If you mean finding no crime is a bad thing, you might be a liberal.
     
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    The last history books I read, Austria-Hungary started WWI by declaring war on Serbia which kicked in a whole series of mutual military treaties and pacts.

    Last I read Germany started WWII when it attacked Poland in 1939.

    Other than misinterpreting my question to another poster, the rest of your analysis of Wilson and Roosevelt is basically correct, imo.
     
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    The other poster was plainly talking about American presidents belonging to the Democratic Party involving American troops in wars.

    Didn't mean to misconstrue anything, but I thought he was pretty clear.

    And correct, imho...
     
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    If they are in more trouble than they think, that means there are more people who think like you than we think there are???
     

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