Electric Car-Owners Shocked: New Study Confirms EVs Considerably Worse For Climate Than Diesel Cars

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  1. AFM

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    Exactly. My son works for Mia Sole who has the highest currently available at ~ 18%.
     
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    Plus our friend apparently missed the part about line losses with DC. All his motors would have to be located very close to the solar energy source. Edison found this out the hard way. Tesla talked to pigeons but was an engineering genius.
     
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    That's part of the problem another part is the grid itself which needs to be completely reengineered and in many cases rebuilt if solar and wind are ever to become a wide scale reality.

    Add to that large scale storage and it becomes obvious huge state sized amounts of land will be needed to make the dream possible.

    For now and the foreseeable future solar has two uses, grid tie and totally off grid where it too expensive to bring in the distribution circuits.
     
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    Again, what you want to compare is apples to oranges, but what you're only comparing is apples to apples... these are subsidies, and yes, there are hidden subsidies... we didn't invade Iraq to liberate people, we invaded over the petro-dollar, we don't really care about Venezuela or its people, we care where the oil is going... What you want to dismiss is the fact that fossil fuel companies are being subsidized and getting government welfare... but you can't.

    Nope, solar does not have to have 100% fossil or nuclear back up... Hydro - as in pumped station batteries, yes, because these are our best option to store solar and wind energy on a large scale.

    WOW... 10%! That's pathetic...

    What is in a lab will soon become real world...
     
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    Exactly. It's only economically competitive in niche situations.
     
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    Do you think America could become isolationist and let bad actors take over the worlds oil supplies without any affect on this country?

    We can be energy self sufficient but if the rest of the world is in chaos it will harm us too
     
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    And that's only when the conditions are just perfect, the panel is spotlessly clean, the panel is perfectly aligned with the sun and the panel has not been warmed too much by the sun, if any of those are missing effiency drops, many times such as off axis sun drops greatly.
     
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    Good point and consider this, China is producing the majority of PV's sold worldwide yet they are mining for oil everywhere including just South of Florida in cooperation with the Cuban government, there's a reason China isn't betting the bank on solar and going for all the oil they can grab.
     
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    I'm correctly pointing out that the total tax is the same. You are actually claiming that we invaded Iraq for oil and are only interested in Venezuela for it's oil. How much oil does Iraq ship free of charge to the US ?? That's ridiculous. Fossil fuel companies can exist with none of these tax considerations. Solar and Wind cannot exist without actual government subsidies.

    What happens on calm days, on cloudy days, at night. Fossil/nuclear/hydro provide the energy which solar and wind cannot.

    How many dams with pumping stations are required to replace the fossil fuel energy plants in the US ?? What is the cost to do so ??

    It's 100%. That was an obvious typo. Telling that you either didn't know or ...
     
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    Exactly. China is selling inefficient technology to the west but not using it to any great degree internally or for their allies.
     
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    And this only plays into the hands of understanding that in a localized DC system, i.e. - a home powered by solar, there would be no need for the excessive power of AC. AC was only adopted because we can transfer over long distances... but now the distances are able to shrink to mere feet, rather than miles.
     
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    Totally incorrect, that is unless someone can make the sun shine 24/7 and the wind blow all the time, but since that never happens conventional backup commonly peakers are required.

    As for pumped hydro you don't seem to understand how inefficient that method of storage is and batteries are not too much better and both require massive amounts of land to be built upon and all of those expenses eat into the solar KWh budget.
     
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    And once again you completely fail to realize how complex such a system would need to be, to provide the reliability of grid power, nor the amount of space such a system would take up.
     
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    And it seems that fossil fuel companies can't exist without tax breaks and subsidies either...
    Again - competing - and yes, the Ohio valley is not Germany or Denmark...
    https://insideclimatenews.org/news/...-power-cheaper-ohio-valley-southeast-colorado

    ...because I know it's BS... you'll need to prove it...https://www.eia.gov/tools/faqs/faq.php?id=727&t=6


    We already have been replacing coal fired plants with solar farms and wind farms, because they are cheaper to build, maintain and operate. There easily could be an over abundance of renewable energy...

    "The flood of renewable energy onto grids is forcing companies to reconsider how much these storage technologies are worth. With wind and solar farms sprouting up in more areas—and their power getting priority to feed into the grid in many places—the amount of electricity being generated has been outstripping demand during certain hours of the day. An increasing phenomenon is “negative prices,” when the grid has so much electricity that generators literally pay consumers to take it."

    https://www.bloomberg.com/features/2018-kaprun-hydroelectric-station-battery/
     
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    Again, you fail to understand the incandescent light bulb vs. LED ideology.
     
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    A home cannot in any practical sense be powered by solar.
     
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    And you have no idea of what reliability means.
     
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    China would love to control the world energy supply because then they would control the world
     
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    That, is seriously funny.
     
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    You claim that fossil fuel can’t exist without government subsidies ?? That’s ridiculous.

    Don’t you read the newspapers ??

    The only reasons that wind and solar are being used in the US are government subsidies and/or regulations.
     
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    Total nonsense, FP&L is building solar farms allover Florida yet they are also still building conventional power plants as well, they just commissioned a new conventional NG fired plant at Port Everglades just ahead of bringing Hammock on line and in a few weeks they will be commissioning a new 500Kv circuit aside Conservation from West Palm Beach to Broward (Andytown Switchyard) just to keep up with the demand in Broward which solar could never come close to meeting.
     
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    Actually it's seriously true.
     
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    Depends on the "where the house is" I will say...
    If the sun is shining enough and you can save the electricity won for the night until then in the morning the sun is shining ... then it works.

    But for the normal and average circumstance you're right ... but it can save a lot of energy that otherwise comes entirely from power plants, environmentally friendly!
     
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    It’s completely accurate.
     
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    Of course it can be and has been done but the unsubsidized costs are much higher than grid electricity and fossil fuel heating.
     

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