Electric Car-Owners Shocked: New Study Confirms EVs Considerably Worse For Climate Than Diesel Cars

So your answer is exactly one system and how many kilowatts does it produce?

And your EV has a 350 watt motor, does that power the A/C too?

 

And you are still tied to the grid?

 

Dammit... that's what I'm doing... The batteries for my trike are also the batteries for my DC system. I thought I was being unique in that idea.

Yes, but I also live on it... why aren't you living on your experience? I personally don't need A/C, but I offered you a link to those that do, before already...

Nope... well, only the neighbors wifi...

 

Because the ROI is just not there to justify the expense of installing one.

[bquote]Nope... well, only the neighbors wifi...[/QUOTE]

How did you manage to keep your CO without a grid connection?

 

I think this just means you're living beyond your means. You might be very wasteful, and unable to sacrifice your comfort for practicality.

Homesteading laws.

 

Actually I live well within my means, solar just doesn't make sense here, the PV's would have to be ground mounted as I lack enough south facing roof space to put them up there and 1.2Kw of panels not including the inverters and grid tie would run me around $8K add the inverter, mounting hardware and permitting and the total is up to almost $12K with an ROI of about 16 years, in my book that's simply not worth the trouble.

 

To be legally mandated to be connected to the grid... is a subsidy to power companies. If you were able to get away with no grid tie and no permit, that puts your project at a meaningful ROI.

 

Actually that would kill any chances of ever producing an ROI as I would need storage and 3 times more PV's installed somewhere.

 

It all depends on what your usage of it is, and how you use it...

https://www.zoro.com/aims-power-off-grid-kit-1590w-solar-5kw-inverter-kitb-5k24120-c2/i/G6931333/

https://realgoods.com/green-living/appliances

 

To size that system for my home would cost $22K, then because it utilizes AGM batteries, I would by code, need to build a freestanding ventilated room with a 2 hour fire rating, so figure another $2.5K for that.

Longer term the AGM's would hit 60% capacity at around 6 years requiring them to be replaced, at a cost of $9.6K or $28K over the life of the system, equaling a negative ROI.

If one was going to go lead acid a much better choice would be to use Lucent's Lineage round cells , they, if properly maintained, will last longer than the PV panels, but like the AGM's would require their own fire rated room and as expected cost more than AGM's and require periodic maintenance, so for the average homeowner that would probably be a deal breaker.

http://apps.geindustrial.com/publib...nstallation and Instruction|107852477|generic

 

I would have to admit, it would not be viable for you to go off the grid. Your lifestyle requires too much power consumption for it to be cost effective. ...but I'm pretty sure you have a fire rated garage...

 

I do not and very few people outside of commercial business's that do paint work actually do, but none the less the code does not allow a garage to be used as a battery room, because the vehicles within can be a source of ignition which is prohibited.

 

Which to me seems only more of a way to continue to subsidies the grid, since the vehicles themselves are carrying practically the same type of batteries... right next to the ignition source... Most, if not all, states have fire codes concerning firewalls to attached garages. This just seems like more red tape for home energy production. ...and Florida sucks, from what I've read since we started this discussion.

 

Whew, I'm glad we solved that one.

 

Incorrect, vehicles when not running are not charging the battery therefore they are not a source of an explosive gas.

Actually most codes do not require a fire rated wall between a residential garage and the home because their is no reason for such, however lead acid batteries produce hydrogen when being charged and that changes everything.

Hardly, Florida has one of the most stringent laws in the land when it comes to allowing renewable energy to be installed.

The Florida Solar Rights Act
Florida law forbids any entity—including homeowner associations—from prohibiting the installation of solar or other renewable energy devices on Florida buildings. An association may require approval of a system installation, and may establish restrictions for installations. However, any such restrictions must be reasonable, not arbitrary, and applied in a uniform manner for all association members. Also, any restrictions must not have the effect of impairing the performance, or increasing the cost, of a solar system.

In particular, a homeowner association may not prevent the installation of solar collectors on the roof of a home. The association may determine where on the roof the collectors may be installed, so long as the collectors face within 45 degrees of due south.

Finally, any requirement(s) that a system be screened from view by trees, fences, ground mounting racks, or a remote roof location that is hidden from the street, will generally violate the statute.[/quote][/QUOTE]

 

You are overlooking the detail that Zero Hedge is not the source of the report

 

Ecofreaks up in arms over lithium mining by Death Valley: https://www.latimes.com/local/calif...ne-california-environment-20190507-story.html

 

In other words green is good, just not in my backyard, I wonder how many of the Ecofreaks will be driving to the upcoming planned protests in their environmentally green EV's?

Total hypocrites.

 

I don't think you can tow with an electric vehicle, if you can, not sure how far it would go. I believe the brakes still run on hydraulic oil, so not green there.

Are horse farts ok?

 

Well then, no ignition source... why the hassle? And yes, most states have fire codes requiring firewalls to attached garages. The fact is that the vehicle carrying gallons of gas is greatly more of an explosion and fire hazard than a row of charging deep cycle SLA batteries. SLA's hydrogen recombines under pressure with oxygen into water inside the battery, Gel cells and AGM batteries are relatively safe to use indoors. They cannot spill, and do not give off hydrogen when charged properly.

"Valve regulated lead acid (VRLA) batteries do not require special battery rooms and are suitable for use in an office environment. Air changes designed for human occupancy normally exceed the requirements for VRLA ventilation. Vented (flooded) batteries, (as in vehicle type batteries), which release hydrogen gas continuously, require a dedicated battery room with ventilation separate from the rest of the building."

Yeah, all that sucks...

 

Not really vehicles do not unless there is a problem leak gas vapors that would be a EPA violation.

But they do fail and when they do explosive gas's can be released

Not true, while small SLA batteries such as those used in UPS's are not required to be installed in a battery room, a bank of batteries or cells are required to be installed in a dedicated battery room.

 

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019...c-cars-considerably-worse-climate-diesel-cars

You have linked this article sited by 'zerohedge.com'.

 

And Zerohedge only reported its morsels and not the actual study.
Without looking at the data and trying to understand including the flaws of the study.
Just a headline, no surprise.

 

Why not got with a system from Sonnen. Works great.

 

Because unless the system can pay for it self in 12 years it doesn't make sense to layout the capitol cost of installing one.

And given how little we pay for electricity and a few other factors going solar just doesn't make sense at this location.