Pelosi claims Congress is a 'superior branch' of government, as clash with White House intensifies

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  1. EMTdaniel86

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    They are actually, the reason being they're a lifetime appointment and have very far reaching decision for years.
     
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    From what I can tell, Congress appears to have little impact on foreign affairs. How many wars have we started in the last few decades, of those how many Presidents got Congressional approval? It is kind of hilarious how we go to war all the time even though supposedly only the Congress has the power to declare war. Trillions of American dollars went into those wars with a net result of millions of Muslim immigrants to Western countries.

    What about executive orders? My god, there were a ton of them signed by Trump and they did have an impact. It doesn't appear that Congress had much input into that at all.

    Trump is also filling up the federal courts with conservatives. That seems a bit powerful.

    All in all I think the executive has more power right now and it probably is not a good thing.
     
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    The legislature makes the rules, the executive carries out those rules.
     
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    She is right, the legislative branch holds the most power. It is, however, dispersed among many and more often than not cannot act. That's the trade off and why you see them using their investigative powers so much, because its all they can really do with the numbers as they are.
     
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    Right, now which one of these is higher up in the chain?(Honestly, it differs based on your priorities personally) but in a hierarchy, it is the chief executive officer at the top. Congress is defacto a bunch of junior officers within its own compartment.
     
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    That’s correct, Congress doesn’t get to pick. The person I was responding to seemed to suggest they could
     
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    That was not what I was suggesting ... though the Congress could impeach both the President and then the VP when he becomes President and since only members of Congress get to choose who becomes Speaker of the House, who would be next in line - they technically COULD pick who was the next President.

    Again, given Congresses power of the purse, change and write laws, their ability to impeach both Presidents and Supreme Court Justices, and their ability to introduce Constitutional Amendments, I think that it's a tough road to try and prove Pelosi wrong when she claims the Congress is the most potent arm of the government.
     
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    Yeah, the Founding Father’s put the President and position of the Chief Executive in Article 1 of the Constitution for a reason!
     
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    That would be the left which believes everything turns on the President. Conservatives view it as co-equal branches.
     
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    Then they gave Congress the power to over-ride any of the President's decisions or vetos and the power to impeach the President. They were against setting up a king. And the Founders gave the Court the power to rule over the President's Executive Orders.

    Between Congress and the Courts, Constitutionally, they can completely shut down the actions of a President. The President cannot Constitutionally shut down Congress or the Courts.
     
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    When did he claim the President was a superior branch to the Congress?
     
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    That can’t be right. The OP says Pelosi is crazy for thinking Congress is the stronger branch so clearly the Founders must have put the Presidency first and believed in a strong chief executive.
     
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    And the gave the Supreme Court the power to declare Congressional legislation unconstitutional and even according to the left the power to just vacate laws it objects to so by you measured they are indeed the superior branch of government. Heck the Congress can't even override the SCOTUS.
     
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    Well other then they can’t enforce law, control the military, or say what law is
     
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    They can over-ride the court by introducing Constitutional Amendments and/or by impeaching Supreme Court Justices. Over the long term, Congress was Constitutionally given the bulk of power.
     
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    Congress writes the laws and controls the purse strings. It may seem they have less power because they disagree so often - but Constitutionally, they can impeach both the President and VP and put their Speaker of the House in the President's seat, thereby controlling the Military. IF they really came together (and I admit, that would be difficult) they have the Constitutional authority to control both the court and the President through impeachment.

    Again, I''m not a Pelosi fan, but I don't think she is wrong on this issue.
     
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    “I think it’s a constitutional confrontation. I don’t think it’s yet a crisis,” Woodward said. “And this is going to go into the courts and this could take months or a year or more.” Watagate reporter Bob Woodard on CNN.
     
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    This is going to the courts, but this is not Watergate. This is children vs children, and the judges need to be the impartial adults in the room.
     
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    Nope the SCOTUS can vacate their laws. Congress alone cannot amend the Constitution.
     
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    The House is still the lower chamber, I don't think that is in dispute outside of Pelosi's delusions, is it?
     
  21. struth

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    When the Speaker because President, the Speaker, is no longer part of Congress. While the House controls the ability to raise taxes, etc...the Dept of Tres, is a executive branch department...they hold all the money and print all the money
     
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    That's essentially what the Watagate reporter was saying.
     

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