Alabama Senate passes bill banning nearly all abortions /MOD WARNING

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This sounds like bullshit and from the guardian it most likely is bullshit.

Pregnancy isn't a crime so the title of the article is bullshit. I'd like to see charges. And individual cases verses an opinion blog.

 

The links are all there. It was based on a research paper

In fact if you go to post 771 of this thread you will see my added links

 

I'm not chasing down links.

You're claim is unsupported.

 

And I am not reposting link I already have posted

See what ost 771 of this thread

 

I'm not interested in you reposting preposterous garbage. So there would be no re posting of anything.

I want facts not faux journalism twaddle

The headline of the guardian article was Profoundly stupid. If the Profoundly stupid is what you use to support your argument than what do you think that says about your argument?

 

One of the links if you had bothered was to a research paper

Just because you do not like it does not make it fake

 

That is kind of my point.

 

Oh, you went OT.

 

A member of the genus and species homo sapien. What are you trying tto argue here you have some doubts as to what is a human?

 

You know, they are still human once OUT of the womb. Show me the Republican plan to help support new mothers, to expand affordable health insurance for new mothers. Show me the Republican plan to expand hospital services and maternity ward services to handle all these new babies you want. Show me the plan to finance the education of these new babies, to make sure they have access to housing and food. Nothing? Didn't think so.

 

Let me know when a male human and a female human conceive and baby chimpanzee.

The abusurdity of the arguments the pro-abortion side must engage never ceases to amaze.

 

If you want to discuss the healthcare system start a thread. If you want to discuss education policy start a thread. I find neither to be justification to kill unborn babies.

 

If the DNA mutates, it is no longer human.

 

I always was curious if say the Bible Belt states all banned abortions and upheld their laws with State authority closing down abortion centers and arresting doctors and told the Federal Government to go to hell on simply 10th Amendment grounds its a State issue regarding medical practice what would the Federal Government be able to do if they simply rebelled in this way. Unless your talking parking Federal troops at every medical clinic and literally arrested the legislative and legal arm of each State they might de facto be abortion ban States.

Noting religious people can be stubborn and base their lives on their moral compass and such a move would likely be on moral religious footing and if they go in hard it might turn these States into martyrs for other religious factions and maybe strange bedfellows.

Just a thought experiment its unlikely to happen but stranger things have happened in the country before.

 

It is mutated human DNA no answer my question have you decided if you were ever a zygote yet?

 

And I don't think Republicans are willing to put their money where their mouth is when it comes to saving innocent children. I think they are just talk and really haven't thought out what saving children means. It's beyond stupid to talk about saving a fetus of you just throw the kid into the trash heap after birth.

If it's your argument that a fetus is the same child after birth, how can you justify bringing that child into the world if you cut the support system out from under it one day after birth.

 

Thank you for once again pointing out that banning abortion is all about punishing women for having sex.

WHY are you making abortion exceptions?

An abortion due to rape is EXACTLY the same procedure and outcome as an abortion due to consensual sex.

HOW is the fetus different?

HOW is the abortion different?

 

that's the most ridiculous statement i've ever read. it is about saving the lives of innocent babies who have no one to speak for them.

lesser of two evils. i recognize that bringing a rape baby into the world could be extremely painful for the rape victim. i would prefer she take her baby to term and give him or her up for adoption. that would be my preference. but given the brutal nature of sexual assault, i am not going to presume to make that decision for someone else. hence an both morally and ethically to my objections to abortions of convenience.

of course, brutal and horrific either way, you are correct there. the difference is the rape victim did not choose to be a rape victim. the mother of an "oopsie" baby did indeed choose to have consensual intimate relations. they're not even in the same ballpark.

 

But you seem to support FORCING a woman with high blood-pressure to carry a fetus to term, despite the pain and risk that it involves. Or FORCING a woman who did not want to go through the emotional pain and court battles that are required to report a rape. Far less than 50% of rapes are ever reported. You seem to want to FORCE those women to expose themselves in order that they can get an abortion. That's basically rape for a second time.

 

FoxHastings said: ↑
Thank you for once again pointing out that banning abortion is all about punishing women for having sex.

Why is it ridiculous? If they're FORCED to do something because they had sex then that is a punishment.

It's only your opinion that abortion IS evil.

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Good, since forcing her to give her body 9 months of pain and damage and financial loss and career setbacks and possible job loss and mental trauma because she was a rape victim would be heinous in the extreme.

It is EXACTLY what Alabama legislators, and others, want to do...

I'm not quite sure what that sentence means but ALL abortions are abortions of convenience...what else would they be???
It isn't convenient for a woman to suffer physical damage and pain for 9 months ( and the damage is LIFELONG).
It isn't convenient to have a kid one can't afford or don't want.
It isn't convenient to suffer financial setbacks.
It isn't convenient to lose one's job.
It isn't convenient to have a child at 12 years of age especially if it's one's own father/brother/priest who caused the pregnancy.

There! You just said that women who have consensual sex should have to give birth ...you just stated it's based on the conception NOT anything to do with the fetus !!!

 

All I saw was a link to the guardian.

True, the fact that it is not true makes it fake.

 

YES! Forcing women to gestate is exactly the same as forcing them to have sex.

BOTH banning abortion and rape are about power, control, force, humiliation and violence against women....I see NO difference in the two.

 

WTF are you talking about?

If you are referring to Pre-eclampsia, the treatment is delivery, and it spontaneously resolves.

If you are referring Eclampsia, the treatment is also delivery.

 

there was a time when girls were raised to wait to go to bed with a man until it was the man they married. at that point, the husband and wife might choose to start a family. or they might wait until they are ready... financially, emotionally, spiritually. now we put girls on tv with their boobs spilling out of 2-sizes too tight tank tops. all of the things you mentioned above are 100% preventable. if the parties involved choose to be responsible. but we have made it far too easy for people to be irresponsible. i get that you disagree and we won't likely see eye-to-eye on this topic. fine. i will continue to be a voice for the most innocent and precious among us.

now let me ask you one question: you argue in favor of a "woman's right to choose." will you defend my right to choose to equip myself with the tools to defend myself from a would-be rapist so that i can insure to the best of my ability i am never stuck having to make that choice of aborting a baby that a rapist put inside me? and will you defend the rights of all women to make that choice should she determine it is the right course of action for her?

i am talking specifically about the 2nd amendment, and the assault on the rights of citizens to keep and bear arms. if someone tries to rape me, he will get to know, for a split second, what it feels like to have your brain exit the back of your skull through the large hole my .357JHP will create.

will you defend my right not to get raped?