Alabama’s Draconian Abortion Ban Has Women On Twitter Ready To Fight

I despise Trump - and Trump is in favor of legalized abortion. Further I never did what you claim. Are you sure this post is not for someone else. You make a bunch of accusation but give no rational.

 

How much risk is too much risk? Does the state get involved in the decision? Can the woman doctor shop if she wants to terminate?

 

I was affirming your comment.

 

What part of let Dr make that call has you confused?

 

This is a silly question as having a heart beat does not necessarily infer personhood. A person can not live without skin cells but the presence of skin cells does mean a living human exist.

Can a person live without cells - does a person exist when not a single cell of that person exists ? The zygote will never be part of the cells that make up the human under construction. How can we then say that the zygote is this human ? How can a human exist when not a single cell of that human exists ?

 

I think it probably ceases to be a fetus in any normal sense when the woman's water breaks.

Is there some point to this? The only reason a doctor would end the life of the fetus (or person) at the moment you're describing is the fetus/person is nonviable.

 

Why quote what you're not addressing?

 

And the rights of men to sleep around and avoid responsibility. The early feminists who fought for women's rights that modern women take for granted. opposed abortion Were they against women's rights?

 

It is that unique and individual human who has never existed before at that particular stage of it's life, a stage of their life that every human who has ever existed spent time in.

 

So what you are arguing for is that the State (government) takes ownership of a woman's uterus after an egg is fertilized.

 

The point is to establish, if possible, what some are calling a "fetus" with no rights and a "baby" with rights.

 

The point is to establish if and when the State takes ownership of a woman's uterus.

 

The cutoff age for abortions should be 18.

Gives a whole new meaning to discipline when you address your offspring as 'abortable fetus'

 

It is BIRTH.

 

Examples of abortion extremism.

"In New York, a new law signed by Governor Andrew Cuomo codifies abortion rights through all nine months of pregnancy, and eliminates the legal duty to provide standard medical care for babies born alive after a botched abortion. In Virginia, Democratic Governor Ralph Northam endorsed a similar measure (since tabled), using language so blunt as to imply support for infanticide : If a mother goes into labor with a late-term fetus that has “severe deformities,” Northam said in a January interview, “the infant would be delivered, the infant would be kept comfortable, the infant would be resuscitated if that’s what the mother and the family desired. And then a discussion would ensue between the physicians and the mother.”

Jeff Jaboby, Boston Globe

 

Actually, it's just standard DNR legal boilerplate. Family members have always had the right to sign DNR's if a family member is unable to communicate. Happens every day. You don't resuscitate a healthy child. You don't resuscitate a non-viable human, whether they're 2 hours old or 100 years old. This just gives legal protection for standard practice.

 

No I have been quite clear in what I have argued, but on this particular point I note no rebuttal on your part.

 

Specious, a baby doesn't have to be born to be a baby as you well know.

 

The point is to establish the right to life.

The founders said

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness."

At creation.

 

However I still believe that a woman should not be forced to carry an unwanted embryo to full term if she does not want to for any reason.

 

This isn't about embryos.

That was a very disingenuous post.

 

Your quote also mentions LIBERTY, and Pursuit of Happiness. Does a woman not have liberty to make decisions regarding her uterus? If she's not happy about being pregnant, are you saying the State has an obligation to keep her unhappy? And the Founders had every opportunity to outlaw abortion. They did not see fit to do so.

At what point does the State take ownership of a woman's uterus?

 

My take is that there is no way to enforce these laws against abortion without monitoring all women of child bearing age to check their wombs. States should stay out of this altogether and let women and their physicians decide for them. No doctor should be forced to administer an abortion if they have an objection but doctors who don’t object should be able to safely perform the procedure.

 

Women elected the men into office who passed this and women legislators supported it the Governor signed it into law so unless a lot of women can vote in a majority into the legislature with men supporting new candidates as well they won't change things much. And what if the majority of women support pro-life policies and you won't get them to change you do understand fundamentalist and evangelical women oppose abortion on strong faith grounds and have a valid position. The thing the unborn human being should be protected from abortion with narrow exceptions of medical need.

 

Exactly. Bringing the law into medical decisions is dangerous.