Alabama’s Draconian Abortion Ban Has Women On Twitter Ready To Fight

Coming into a debate about whether or not a human exists .. and stating "a human exists" - is nothing but repetition of premise - and that is all you have done.

Repeating a premise is not proof of claim. It is logical fallacy on steroids.

 

LOL! Gaining rights at birth is "radical " !!????


Hardly!

Oh, and thanks for the flamebait…

 

Okay. Where do you think a fetus becomes a person.

 

Oh stop with your pathetic , " It's a BAAAAAABY , A BAAAAABY I tell ye !!! I decide what humans are called , me, me ,me. It's a BAAAAAABY BAAAABY..."""


...as if you had a point.....

 

So much for the rights of adult women.

 

With the emphasis on narrow.

These two new laws in New York and Massachusetts are using 'health' as a vague excuse to practically allow abortion at any time in the pregnancy. No doctor required to even so much as look at the woman.

 

I dont know and would hate to guess wrong. If I were king, and I should be, I'd probably outlaw them, subject to exceptions for rape etc., after 3 months.

Years ago I figured Roe v. Wade was legally wrong but that the policy it announced was probably a reasonable balance.

 

Please take notice:

For the Anti-Choicers who insist the fetus only floats unattached to the woman it's in and birth is merely a change of "Location":


Changes in the newborn at birth

Changes in the newborn at birth refer to the changes an infant's body undergoes to adapt to life outside the womb.

Information

LUNGS, HEART, AND BLOOD VESSELS

The mother's placenta helps the baby "breathe" while it is growing in the womb. Oxygen and carbon dioxide flow through the blood in the placenta. Most of it goes to the heart and flows through the baby's body.

At birth, the baby's lungs are filled with fluid. They are not inflated. The baby takes the first breath within about 10 seconds after delivery. This breath sounds like a gasp, as the newborn's central nervous system reacts to the sudden change in temperature and environment.

Once the baby takes the first breath, a number of changes occur in the infant's lungs and circulatory system:

• Increased oxygen in the lungs causes a decrease in blood flow resistance to the lungs.
• Blood flow resistance of the baby's blood vessels also increases.
• Fluid drains or is absorbed from the respiratory system.
• The lungs inflate and begin working on their own, moving oxygen into the bloodstream and removing carbon dioxide by breathing out (exhalation).

BODY TEMPERATURE

A developing baby produces about twice as much heat as an adult. A small amount of heat is removed through the developing baby's skin, the amniotic fluid, and the uterine wall.

After delivery, the newborn begins to lose heat. Receptors on the baby's skin send messages to the brain that the baby's body is cold. The baby's body creates heat by burning stores of brown fat, a type of fat found only in fetuses and newborns. Newborns are rarely seen to shiver.

LIVER

In the baby, the liver acts as a storage site for sugar (glycogen) and iron. When the baby is born, the liver has various functions:

• It produces substances that help the blood to clot.
• It begins breaking down waste products such as excess red blood cells.
• It produces a protein that helps break down bilirubin. If the baby's body does not properly break down bilirubin, it can lead to newborn jaundice.

GASTROINTESTINAL TRACT

A baby's gastrointestinal system doesn't fully function until after birth.

In late pregnancy, the baby produces a tarry green or black waste substance called meconium. Meconium is the medical term for the newborn infant's first stools. Meconium is composed of amniotic fluid, mucus, lanugo (the fine hair that covers the baby's body), bile, and cells that have been shed from the skin and intestinal tract. In some cases, the baby passes stools (meconium) while still inside the uterus.

URINARY SYSTEM

The developing baby's kidneys begin producing urine by 9 to 12 weeks into the pregnancy. After birth, the newborn will usually urinate within the first 24 hours of life. The kidneys become able to maintain the body's fluid and electrolyte balance.

The rate at which blood filters through the kidneys (glomerular filtration rate) increases sharply after birth and in the first 2 weeks of life. Still, it takes some time for the kidneys to get up to speed. Newborns have less ability to remove excess salt (sodium) or to concentrate or dilute the urine compared to adults. This ability improves over time.

IMMUNE SYSTEM

The immune system begins to develop in the baby, and continues to mature through the child's first few years of life. The womb is a relatively sterile environment. But as soon as the baby is born, they are exposed to a variety of bacteria and other potential disease-causing substances. Although newborn infants are more vulnerable to infection, their immune system can respond to infectious organisms.

Newborns do carry some antibodies from their mother, which provide protection against infection. Breastfeeding also helps improve a newborn's immunity.

SKIN

Newborn skin will vary depending on the length of the pregnancy. Premature infants have thin, transparent skin. The skin of a full-term infant is thicker.

Characteristics of newborn skin:

• A fine hair called lanugo might cover the newborn's skin, especially in preterm babies. The hair should disappear within the first few weeks of the baby's life.
• A thick, waxy substance called vernix may cover the skin. This substance protects the baby while floating in amniotic fluid in the womb. Vernix should wash off during the baby's first bath.
• The skin might be cracking, peeling, or blotchy, but this should improve over time.

 

That's fascinating, but I never heard a prolifer claim that the fetus is unattached to the woman.

What will you prove next? That the earth rotates on its axis?

Brilliant!

 

Oh, maybe you haven't been around much but many Anti-Choicers insist that the fetus is NOT the woman's, that it is a separate entity.

Some insist that nothing happens at birth except the fetus simply changes location from inside the woman to outside the woman...so they are confused as to why before birth it's a fetus and after birth it's a baby.


Some have insisted that the woman's body isn't used for anything but a receptacle for the fetus.

 

Look, you've got this "unattached to the woman" language in giant electric blue font. I'm supposed to assume it wasn't central to your post?

Anyway I never heard anyone here making the arguments you are attributing to the prolife position.

The rest of your post is biologically interesting, but you've got to deal somehow with the reality that these "fetuses," at younger and younger ages, can breathe on their own if delivered prematurely. That means something, what exactly I don't know.

But we can't ignore it.

 

And life first and paramount, without the right to your life you have no liberty and happiness. Your creation is to be protected. And the founders would consider abortion law STATE law not federal law and would never have thought to make it a federal issue. THAT is what these new state laws are all about, getting it before SCOTUS to review how the federal government usurped state law

I don't agree with the premise of your argument that that is the sole issue here, the asserted state ownership of a woman's womb. I can't sell my kidney does that mean the government owns it because there is a law concerning it? No. At what point should life in the womb be protected, that is the issue and the one the SCOTUS refused to address in RvW and the reason states are passing these extreme laws to get it up to the SCOTUS.

 

Well, I have. Hang around an abortion thread long enough and you would see it, too. Just because you haven't seen it doesn't mean it never happened.

NO, fetal viability is not changing, it's still 21-28 weeks.

Gestation is not getting shorter.

Yes, a fetus as young as 21 weeks survived but that was with extraordinary means ( and great expense)

Back to my point, granting rights to a fetus is not a matter of location and the fetus , contrary to what some Anti-Choicers say, is attached to the woman it's in.


Oh, DO read posts 640 and 641...

 

As you have been shown over and over you are the one who is confused.

As the United States government says

"There is no known safe amount of alcohol a woman can drink while pregnant. When you are pregnant and you drink beer, wine, hard liquor, or other alcoholic beverages, alcohol gets into your blood. The alcohol in your blood gets into your baby's body through the umbilical cord. Alcohol can slow down the baby's growth, affect the baby's brain, and cause birth defects."
https://www.womenshealth.gov/pregnancy/youre-pregnant-now-what/staying-healthy-and-safe

Refute the Department of Health and Human Services

That the pro-abortion side has to try and change the meanings of words is so telling about the strength of their argument.

 

It is a separate entity, a separate human life, it is not part of the mother, biology 101.

 

The baby in the womb is not attached to the mother, it is "attached" to the placenta in that blood vessels at the end of the umbilical cord are intermeshed in the placenta. The placenta is attached to walls or the womb. The placenta keeps the baby separated from the mother.

 

What does you fallacious claim the baby is attached to the mother have to do with the Changes at birth?

 

There is nothing pathetic about a baby in the womb and I'm not the one who "decided" it's a baby, but you are the one trying to decide it is not in spite of the common language and medical and government cites I have provided for years that say YES it's a baby in there.

A baby doesn't have to be born to be a baby.

 

Refute it instead of complaining about it. Stating that a human doesn't exist until some other arbitrary time you haven't stated yet and that until then is it not a new unique never having exist before is not just a repetitious premise but a false premise.

You said

Easy, by stating the fact. It is the human it is, unique to all of humanity.

 

fetus.... also a word

 

You think a fetus will survive when the placenta is cut lose from the womb? Because that is separating the fetus from the mother.

 

So your argument is that the woman becomes a ward of the State at the time the egg is fertilized and implants in the uterine wall. If that is the case, then is not the State taking on financial responsibility for it's ward?

 

Fetus = baby
baby = fetus

 

No and if you are not going to address what I said...........oh well.

 

So you want the State to take control of the woman's uterus, but you don't think it should be responsible for any of the consequences of that action.