Coalition Seeks to Expose Communist Infiltration of Democratic Party

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  1. US Conservative

    US Conservative Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Its hilarious.

    The leftists who support infanticide, gun confiscation by force, wealth confiscation, and flooding the nation with illegals can't seem to understand why centralized govt is a bad thing.
     
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  2. US Conservative

    US Conservative Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    It was only a few years ago that leftists balked at the suggestion they were socialists, marxists, communists, etc.

    Now they wear the label openly and proudly.
     
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    Your claim hints that you're adding a famine, that wasn't intent to deliberately kill people one bit.
    Right wing fake news
     
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    if the famine was a direct result of the governments policy intentional or not they are responsible and guilty of that famine
    same as a person that drives drunk and kills another the driver intention wasn't to kill anyone but is action resulted in another death there for guilty of murder
     
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  5. US Conservative

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    Did you not know that commies not only use famine as a weapon, but that its a predictable side effect of their central planning as well?

    ....Local party leaders, for their part, conspired to cover up shortfalls and reassign blame in order to protect their own lives and positions.[citation needed]

    In visits to Henan province in 1958, Mao observed what local officials claimed was increases in crop yield of one thousand to three thousand percent achieved, supposedly, in massive 24-hour pushes organized by the officials which they called "sputnik launches". But the numbers were faked, and so were the fields that Mao observed, which had been carefully prepared in advance of Mao's visit by local officials, who removed shoots of grain from various fields and carefully transplanted them into a field prepared especially for Mao, which appeared to be a bumper crop.[41]:122

    The local officials became trapped by these sham demonstrations to Mao, and exhorted the peasants to reach unattainable goals, by "deep ploughing and close planting", and other techniques. This ended up making things much worse, the crop failed completely, leaving barren fields. No one was in a position to challenge Mao's ideas as incorrect, so peasants pulled out their bedding and coats into the fields, added seeds and water, and after they sprouted, buried the materials under the soil once the seedlings were high enough.[41]:122

    In a similar manner to the massive Soviet-created famine in Ukraine (the Holodomor), doctors were prohibited from listing "starvation" as a cause of death on death certificates. This kind of deception was far from uncommon; a famous propaganda picture from the famine shows Chinese children from Shandong province ostensibly standing atop a field of wheat, so densely grown that it could apparently support their weight. In reality, they were standing on a bench concealed beneath the plants, and the "field" was again entirely composed of individually transplanted stalks.[44]Aforementioned propaganda photo.

    Amartya Sen puts this famine in a global context, arguing that lack of democracy is the major culprit: "Indeed, no substantial famine has ever occurred in a democratic country—no matter how poor." He adds that it is "hard to imagine that anything like this could have happened in a country that goes to the polls regularly and that has an independent press. During that terrible calamity the government faced no pressure from newspapers, which were controlled, and none from opposition parties, which were absent."[45]

    On the other hand, Sen points out that the numbers of "excess mortality" in India often surpass what they were in China during 1958–1961.[46] Sen argued that "Despite the gigantic size of excess mortality in the Chinese famine, the extra mortality in India from regular deprivation in normal times vastly overshadows the former...India seems to manage to fill its cupboard with more skeletons every eight years than China put there in its years of shame."

    In 1962, Liu Shaoqi, then President of the People's Republic of China, concluded after 44 days of field research in villages of Hunan that the reasons for the famine were 30% natural disaster and 70% human error.[47]

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Chinese_Famine

    Or how about the time China killed its sparrows, which allowed insects to destroy their crops?

    ...By April 1960, Chinese leaders changed their opinion due to the influence of ornithologist Tso-hsin Cheng[2] who pointed out that sparrows ate a large number of insects, as well as grains.[8][9] Rather than being increased, rice yields after the campaign were substantially decreased.[10][9] Mao ordered the end of the campaign against sparrows, replacing them with bed bugs, as the extermination of the former upset the ecological balance, and bugs destroyed crops as a result of the absence of natural predators. By this time, however, it was too late. With no sparrows to eat them, locust populations ballooned, swarming the country and compounding the ecological problems already caused by the Great Leap Forward, including widespread deforestation and misuse of poisons and pesticides.[10] Ecological imbalance is credited with exacerbating the Great Chinese Famine, in which 15–45 million people died of starvation.[11][12]
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Four_Pests_Campaign

    Or how about North Korea's "recycling" program in the 90's, where hundreds of thousands who died in famine were thrown into the countries lakes with catfish fry.

    Those catfish were then fed back to the people.
     
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    There's a huge difference. You need to do some book learnin'.
     
  7. US Conservative

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    Not as much as you'd think. Its all based on the same ideology of failure.

    The Ramones figure it out.
     
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    Notice no matter how far you go left or right, it's still a bunch of crap put together by people trying to sell you crap. They tell you, "vote for me, I'll make sure you get the crap you want - trust me ..." Just the same old power grab in a different color bottle. There's still the guy at the top telling you what to do. Libertarian leader of socialist leader and you play lap dog either way. Sell your little pretend chart somewhere else.
     
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  9. US Conservative

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    Wrong.

    The right, like many centrists and even classical liberals support the same things, and have similar goals.

    Can't say that about communists.
     
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    Just keep saying that over and over and maybe one day someone who isn't an idiot will believe it.
     
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    Is it that you don't recall or that you don't know or care?


    Estimated number of victims[edit]
    According to the chapter, the number of people killed by the Communist governments amounts to more than 94 million.[6]:4 The statistics of victims include deaths through executions, man-made hunger, famine, war, deportations and forced labor. The breakdown of the number of deaths is given as follows:

    According to Courtois, the crimes by the Soviet Union included the following:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Black_Book_of_Communism
     
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    There is a french book made in response to that, called the black book of capitalism.
    It puts the estimation of the death due to capitalism on 100 million in just the previous century.
    Imperialism, colonialism, slave trade, WWI. Eat your heart out.
     
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    Ah. See, I thought 100 million dead people dead under communism over the last century (1 million a year) was a bad thing.

    But your deflection to a bunch of other things somehow makes it ok.
     
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    Your list doesn't hit the 100 million. And if the reason is that we shouldn't have communism because it kills people,.. than you should also want to ban capitalism. It's worse.
     
  15. US Conservative

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    The list stopped in the 90's.

    The last 20 years have also seen millions killed.

    Its happening live in Venezuela.

    Capitalism is the best economic system in existence.

    The experiment of communism has been asked and answered many times over the last century.

    In some cases, even with ethnically homogeneous countries essentially split in half for a half century plus.

    Korea and Germany.
     
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    Capitalism does not kill people it is not worse

    Communism does
     
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    Just look at the metamorph in Russia. "Demo-socialism"? There's nothing democratic about Vlad's elections, so where does "demo" fit in? Economics. Socialist economics began integrating capitalist development strategies. Potentially, if not presumably, "demo" will creep it's way into Russia's political reality in a post Putin era. Only further demonstating that moving towards socialism is backwards, NOT progressive.
     
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    Maybe a couple of 100 people died in Venezuela.
    It doesn't compare well with the geo-political games the US played in Afghanistan.
    The US army surveyed the country to see how much natural resources they have.
    Take a hint.

    Half of the working population in the US earns 15 bucks or less. Should I be impressed?
    In that regards... the cost of living in China is dirt low, and they make massive amounts of money from the US.
    Trump realized that they system isn't working.

    This is also besides the point. The point is, who killed the most for their system... and why communists may not be in the Dem party. And so far,.. it's not as murderous as has been claimed.
     
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    Owning an other human is capitalism. And the slave trade killed people, champ.
     
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    You know who started the commies, don't you?
     
  21. US Conservative

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    A couple hundred people?

    First they were starving, eating pets and garbage.
    Then the govt death squads came in.
    10% of Venezuela has fled.

    https://www.hrw.org/world-report/2019/country-chapters/venezuela
    https://venezuelanalysis.com/analysis/13081
     
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    Wrong

    Capitalism ended slavery. Capitalism is about trade with other people not owning them.

    Communism is about owning other people
     
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    Coming out of the commie closet apparently is done in steps. Remember when conservatives were telling Democrats they were socialists under Obama. They said they weren't, then up pops Bernie and suddenly there are literally millions of socialists that weren't socialists a few days before. Taking the full commie step will require a few more 'socialists' to gain office...
     
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    Absolutely correct.
     
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    up till the 1990s it was a insult to be called a communist it ranked right up there with being called a Nazi
    but once the radical left took complete control of our public school system they stopped teaching the horrors of communism how many were mass murdered under communist oppressive regimes
    so the stigma slowly faded away and now its chic and edgy to call yourself a communist wear Che Guevara and Mao T-Shirts wave communist flags at rallies and protest
     
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