Trump Downplays [North Korean] Missile Tests

Discussion in 'Warfare / Military' started by AtsamattaU, May 26, 2019.

  1. Natty Bumpo

    Natty Bumpo Well-Known Member

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    Psychological Profiling 101. Pander to the narcissist's insatiable ego, and he sit up and beg or roll over and play dead on command.

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    So what's your point?
     
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    Except that’s exactly what he’s doing. His trolls are just too stupid to realize it.
     
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    Said no “leftist” ever. You’re squandering your posting privileges with complete nonsense.
     
  5. AtsamattaU

    AtsamattaU Well-Known Member

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    You are right. Trump strikes me as the most obvious evidence of that, and the continuous sycophancy toward Trump over acknowledging the truth is a harsh statement of how little Americans care about the truth.
     
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    How quickly you guys forget. Obama offered to meet with Kim AFTER Kim agreed to certain concessions. For that, he was pilloried by your trolls. Meanwhile, Trump meets with Kim WITHOUT CONCESSIONS, validates him on the world stage, compliments him like an idiot, and agrees to stop U.S. military exercises with South Korea (the ones who are actually our allies). Kim changed nothing and Trump - and by extension the U.S. - looks like an incompetent fool. While that’s typical for people like Trump and his trolls, most of us do not appreciate being played for fools.
     
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    Bolton is the hawk in the administration and is an advisor to the President. Trump is the President. See the difference?
     
  8. Natty Bumpo

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    If the reality-tv performer wishes to pick a pom pom flailer for the Iraq Fiasco as his National Security Adviser, that is his call.

    If he needs to kowtow to Kim Jung UN, that is also his call.
     
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    If he needs to keep negotiations open that's his call and that is what he's doing.
     
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    Withdrawing new sanctions during negotiating is hardly stopping sanctions.

    And what else has he done?

    Well, 2 years ago he banned all travel to and from North Korea. A ban that he extended last month for an additional year. An action by the way which many Democrats complain about, saying it "hinders humanitarian aid" from reaching North Korea.

    He also enacted Executive Order 13810, which cuts all financial ties with North Korea, and freezes all assets of the country, or any companies conducting business with them. It also bans any North Korean citizens from coming to the US with the exception of those going to the UN. This was drug into the Trump Vs. Hawaii lawsuit against the Travel Ban but was quickly dismissed and upheld.

    In October 2017 even more financial sanctions were imposed, including expanding the Naval quarantine.

    In 2018 in the UN he signed a declaration vowing to keep up the pressure against North Korea.

    Also in 2018 in a joint declaration with Japan it was affirmed that the pressure would continue, and all sanctions would remain in place, including the then renewed travel and financial bans.

    So please tell us, what other sanctions can be put in place at this time, and what exactly was cancelled?
     
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    Exactly how? Russia cut all trade with North Korea in 2016, in accordance with USNCR sanctions. China did the same thing, and only accepts limited exports from North Korea in exchange for food. In accordance with UNSCR. So please expand more on how the nations are ignoring the sanctions.
     
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    He has also stopped military exercises with South Korea, and Kim has continued his missle testing.
     
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    Wrong.

    The Ulchi Freedom Guardian exercise was cancelled in 2018 at the request of South Korea during negotiations. But when North Korea resumed missile testing the games were held. 3 months later than originally scheduled.

    And just last month Ulchi Freedom Guardian was held. Once again, it was an exercise cancelled at the request of South Korea. But a few months later they requested it happen as North Korea continued testing missiles.

    Yea, you are right that they were cancelled. But you seem to have missed the memo that it was South Korea that cancelled them, not the President. And that South Korea requested that they happen a few months later after negotiations fell through. Like Ulchi Freedom Guardian, scheduled for May 2019 and held from 8 to 26 August. The exercise just ended not to long ago.

    Anything else you want to try and drag into this?
     
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    I guess the military times is fake news too.

    https://www.militarytimes.com/news/...r-military-exercises-with-south-korea-report/
     
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    And what is the date of that report?

    Gee, 1 March! It was postponed at the request of South Korea, then was finally held last month.

    https://www.nknews.org/2019/08/sout...litary-drills-north-korean-party-daily-warns/

    Oh, and the date of this article is 20 August. Just a few weeks ago.

    It really-really helps if you actually bother to find accurate current news, and not just take a single months old snippet that seems to support your claim, without bothering to do any more research. Exercises postponed, and actually held. All that has happened is that they are no longer called Ulchi Freedom Guardian. Apparently that name is now retired, like Golden Bear and Team Spirit before that.

    Hell, even the Huffington Post covered this exercise. I guess it was not a front page thing though.

    https://www.huffpost.com/entry/us-s...K1tZebwxaWMfCqoghNId35eIpMBBLsbHWCZtHeNajdksw

    Care to play another round? I can keep playing like this all day long.
     
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    Thanks for the info.

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/mar/22/donald-trump-lifts-latest-sanctions-north-korea
     
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    Has Kim Jong un broken his agreement not to test long range missles? Not as far as I know.

    Still no splashes near Guam or Hawaii.

    No agreement was made on short range missiles.
     
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    Exactly.
     
  20. Mushroom

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    At this time, adding more sanctions against North Korea would largely be a joke. What are we going to do, forbid birds to fly over it? Turn any rabbits that try to cross the border and tell them to return?

    That is the most sanctioned and restricted nation on the planet. And one of the reasons President Trump cancelled the last round of sanctions by the Treasury is that they were mirrors of sanctions already in place, by both the US and the UNSC.
     
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    Yeah so just ignore what Trump has been bending over backwards for Kim without any reciprocation.
     
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    I already listed a slew of new sanctions that have been put in place by this president. Nobody has been able to list any sanctions that have been removed.

    So like the rest, I am just going to laugh unless you can name sanctions that have been removed.

    This is what I find so damned funny about TDS (and ODS before it as well as BDS, CTD, and any other). People will scream and yell, but seem to be amazingly unable to actually name anything. It is more like political masturbation, where a bunch of people tell each other how awesome they are, because they all think alike and like to hate the same thing.

    You all may entertain yourselves and each other, but most of us find you all silly.
     
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    Oh yeah, Trump has gotten Kim to bend at his will.
     
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    Yet you are unable to say exactly how.

    Goodbye.
     

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