European elections 2019: major losses projected for centrist blocs – live

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  1. For Topical Use Only

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    Mainstream media only covers him in a negative tone and social platforms have banned him completely. I would say he has a point.
     
  3. alexa

    alexa Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    He is so well known. People from the US were pouring money into him but he could not get more than a couple of hundred people around. England will elect authoritarians but not ones they believe will create violence which is him. UKIP went too far after Brexit so Farage left, someone exceedingly rich set him up with the Brexit Party and he apparently massively lowered the tone, talking mainly about the government and even got remainders voting for him. Don't get me wrong I am not saying England is not vulnerable to electing a potential violent right wing Party, it is just not what the people see themselves as. They would either have to be conned into it which is what fascism does, or it will all be done politely managing to get them to believe it unfortunately has to be done. Not Robinson's style.
     
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    Yes, mainstream media writes a lot about him. And 99% of the time in a bad light.

    How much money? I really doubt that he as an independent candidate had more resources than his opponents.

    Actually, he has been a target of violence in this campaign. Not a perpetrator.
     
  5. alexa

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    I am not suggesting the ME Americans who were supporting him stirring up Muslim hatred were supporting him in his EU election bid. You have just repeated yourself from your previous post so what I said above remains.
     
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    ok as you claim not to be knowing this lets give you a bit more information

    https://www.hopenothate.org.uk/2019/02/17/state-hate-2019-rise-stephen-yaxley-lennon/


    He he was a dead duck when you people picked him up and will return there now.

    So he lost £5,000 allowing his ego, boosted in the main by North America to make him believe he could get elected to the EU Parliament. If you get so few votes that it is laughable which he did, and which people did, you lose your deposit and your ego gets crushed. The £5,000 he lost was his deposit

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...-video-yaxley-lennon-north-west-a8931451.html

    As to why he does not appeal to more people I refer you to what I wrote earlier.
     
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    As far as I know, Trump didn't support his election bid but just said that his trial was unfair. And it was very unfair. So it's the judge who sentenced him to a jail is the one who has made him famous not the people who were sending him the money from abroad, which I don't think were too many. And I didn't say that he didn't get any help along the way. He did. But on the other hand, there were tons of dirt thrown at him and he wasn't even able to defend himself on social media from all those stupid attacks. And people on this forum are wondering why is he "whining about it"
     
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    No, it was 'social media' and a lot of 'fake news'. I had no idea though that Trump himself had anything to do with interference in the political life of the UK but it would seem you are right. He was at it again (May had to tell Trump off for retweeting Jayda Fransen, now in jail for hate speech.)

    So we have

    More American intervention into Britain’s political dialogue is seen where the news of Robinson’s imprisonment last May generated a surge of pro-Robinson tweets. Analysis of 2.2m #freetommy tweets showed 42% came from the US, according to research by the Institute for Strategic Dialogue.

    The aims of these American right-wing free-market jihadists is simple. They are using any opportunity they can to amplify political divisions in the UK.

    Fiyaz Mughal, the founder of Tell Mama, which records anti-Muslim hate crimes, describes this type of foreign interventionism as one we should all be very wary of – “It should alarm anyone in this country who values the democratic principles on which our country are founded.”[/quote]

    https://truepublica.org.uk/united-k...nd-the-ultra-right-wing-jihadists-of-america/

    This work on plying money on a low life British criminal by the extreme Right in the US is without question, the US trying to interfere with Britian's Politics. As far as your belief that it was the judge who sentenced him who got him on social media are you really that naive? Yaxley-Lennon knew exactly what he was doing and what the result would be when he set himself up to be arrested that day. I believe that the appeal believed the court were too quick to act but that is not really unusual when a known criminal is up to his old tricks. Well done interfering with the judicial system of the UK.


    I have though said repeatedly that I did not think America's far right supported him for the EU election. Possibly they have moved to Farage and created his new 'Brexit' Party. Unfortunately they have a far better chance of being successful there.

    As far as his trial being unfair. This one perhaps


    https://truepublica.org.uk/united-k...nd-the-ultra-right-wing-jihadists-of-america/

    Getting the idea that he is not so popular in the UK as in the International extreme Right, particularly the USA, particularly ME propagandists and other Muslims haters.

    https://truepublica.org.uk/united-k...nd-the-ultra-right-wing-jihadists-of-america/

    The article goes on to speak about some of their donors, their relationship as you said to Trump and to meddling in Brexit. We are talking here about people involved in meddling in British Politics and they are not Russian, they are American though both Russia and the American extreme Right support the far right in Britain and Europe trying to get them into power.

    https://truepublica.org.uk/united-k...nd-the-ultra-right-wing-jihadists-of-america/

    If Yaxley Lennon didn't keep doing hate related and criminal activities the British Press would not write about it. British people know who he is and also his involvement in things like with Jayda Fransen being involved in communication with Darren Osborne until very shortly before his terrorist attack in Finsbury Park.

    To the US extreme Right Muslim haters and particularly those working to spread Muslim hatred around Europe, Lennon appeared a find. To him it was a nice little money earner

    https://www.thecanary.co/uk/analysi...platform-is-actually-a-get-rich-quick-scheme/

    He did not get elected because the English people know who he is and did not want what he had. It will be interesting when we find the main source of funding of Farage's Brexit Party which as soon as it was born had sufficient money to stand for all the seats around the UK. Given what I have shown has been happening - that is both with respect to Yaxley - Lennon and with Brexit - something of course which Trump supports, you can understand the concern that this may again be foreign funding meddling with the sovereignty of the UK.


     
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    Possibly UKIP's move to the extreme right and allegiance with Robinson was an attempt by them to get the backing of US extreme right donors. If so they were wrong. That kind of obvious hatred and aggression does not fit with most English. Farage knew that straight away, withdrew from them and formed the Brexit Party refraining from even talking about immigration never mind hate speech. Did that result in the US extreme Right funding his Brexit Party? That is for the future to find out.
     
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    A point had Hitler too ... and no, it is not the evil media, it is the person himself and what he says and publish what gives to him this rating!
     
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    UKIP ... so the "United Kingdom Independence Party" was once the great Brexit party.
    Now waving at the European Parliament, it was destroyed ... and destroyed by the new Brexit party of the former UKIP member Farage. All those who once voted UKIP who voted for Farage's party ... so it's just a shift from Brexit party old to Brexit party new to the bottom line.
    Brexit Party old = UKIP has now become completely meaningless ... and may be taken over by some half-Nazis.;-)
     
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    I hear he played it more on just getting Brexit done, criticising the Government and like I said not even bringing in immigration or any of the other volatile tropes. In that way he apparently managed to also get some people who voted remain but accept that a democratic vote was done and so should be acted on as well as his usual people. As I say I read that. I did not get it by following him. But basically yes, that is what he did. For some reason, who knows as I said maybe hoping for some money like Yaxley Lennon got, UKIP moved to the right with ever fewer people. When UKIP decided to hire Lennon as an advisor, Farage left.

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...xit-politics-resignation-leader-a8667311.html

    No words there about starting a new Party. However that was in December of last year and here he is now with a Party that had enough money to put candidates for I think every seat in the UK and arrange a campaign in double quick time. He claims to have one mystery large donor but will not say who it is, as well as 70,000 smaller donors. I am not surprised some people want to know where he got the money from, not least to make sure it is not coming from a foreign country especially knowing America's involvement before!

    I think he now has his eyes on being PM.
     
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    Yep ... and the strange thing is that it does not matter that he has proven way lied to the British people in pre-Brextit Campaigns like mad ... something which he openly confoirmed to have done, because truth if disturbing is unimportant as he told.

    And such a politician gets so many votes ... makes me much wondering about British people. But on the other hand ... as a British friend of me told: The Brits gave him only so much votes, so that they can dump him away from UK to Brussels? ... :-D
     
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    Well how about this Mandelus. A Private Citizen is taking Boris Johnson to court for lying about Brexit!!


    https://news.sky.com/story/boris-jo...ver-alleged-eu-referendum-misconduct-11730747

    It seems the reason they have got away with things before is because no one was prepared to take them to court and they always just say it was a mistake. They believe they can prove from other things Johnson said, that he knew he was lying about the amount we paid to the EU per week. What that will mean I do not know. Nothing much seems to have happened to the Leave Campaign by going against the law on donations but this is being heard at the Crown Court and as far as I am aware a guilty verdict there always results in at least 6 months in jail.

    The guy bringing this will be getting death threats. However you are absolutely right. If people are going to manipulate voters to vote in a way which is going to cause possibly as much change to the UK as revolution would, those deliberately lying to get their vote should be prosecuted.
     
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    biggest party are them Christians, like Merkel's party. 2nd place are the labor parties, lib dems are 3rd, the greens are 4th... and them the nationalists come in on 5th place with 63 seats out of 751 seats. Yes..."victory".
     
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