Why Nancy Pelosi is absolutely correct. We need the AMERICAN PEOPLE behind us.

Agreed. Both ways. We need the gory details on his this Russia-Trump thing was hatched and started.

 

The crooks were the ones who presented the fraudulent dossier as verified evidence to the FISA judges.

 

So, all the crooks that were found, are FRUIT OF THE POISIN TREE, and therefore blameless?

 

In law enforcement, if evidence is obtained illegally, the whole case can be thrown out.

Again, the crooks are the ones who started “Trump-Russia”.

 

But the DNC and Pelosi do have the support of MS-13, the drug cartels and the international gun traffickers.

Probably the Muslim Brotherhood too.

 

Good, that is why Mueller started with the Russians. You will argue that ALL your criminals are EXEMPT, PFFFT sorry Dems, better luck nexst time, dot your Is and cross your Ts idiots? That is what you are aiming for?

 

I don't know where you got 49%. But here, dated 21 May 2019, Question 11. What we see nationwide is 38% for impeachment, 41% against, 20% not sure or just don't care one way or the other. What catches my eye is the partisanship of impeachment. Democrats, 71% for, 10% against. Republicans are just the opposite, 9% for, 81% against. You can't get anymore partisan than that. So how do independents feel about impeaching Trump? The less to non-partisans, the non-political party affiliated, those who probably aren't in either the pro or anti Trump camps.

https://d25d2506sfb94s.cloudfront.net/cumulus_uploads/document/dl1xj5lsd9/econTabReport.pdf

31% of independents favor impeachment, 41% are against impeachment. Then we have 28% of independents not sure or as I stated, just don't give a darn. For impeachment to work, it can't be a one party affair. This is exactly what we have today. If impeachment looks like a very partisan political vendetta, even if it passes the house, the Democrats are likely to lose independent support not only for impeachment, but perhaps in the 2020 election.

I do think Speaker Pelosi realizes this. She is political savvy. That a one party impeachment has the possibility of backfiring on the Democrats. The impeachment of Bill Clinton was a one party affair which did backfire on the GOP.

Impeachment is a political process, as with any political process it will have its political plus and minuses. If I were a Democrats, I would want to make darn sure the pluses outweigh the minuses or we very well could be looking at a second Trump term as president.

 

...--in your woefully misinformed opinion.

 

Just curious. Putting Don's obstruction of justice aside and the whole Russia affair, why aren't other instances of corruption within his admin relevant to you?

 

You'll never have the "people" behind you because as deranged as our education system can be at times, enough of us are decent enough not to stand behind the fraud that is Pelosi.

 

For example, the House has passed legislation on equal pay, prescription drug costs by banning pay-for-delay generic prescription agreements, repealing Don's expansion of junk medical insurance, violence against women, and a bill requiring the US to sign back on the Paris Climate Accords.

They also passed an expansive anti-corruption bill that will help drain the swamp Trump has filled.

 

Rep. Amash (R) says Barr lied in his "summary".

 

I am so sick of Trump corruption this and Trump corruption that..... I don't give a damn. It is so boring that I have turned to European politics as it is certainly more compelling. Do you really need 25 new threads on this every friggin day?

 

Trump is begging to be impeached, which is exactly my point.

The worst mistake the Democrats could make is to impeach Trump!

In the first place, heading into the 2020 Presidential election, Democrats should not do exactly what their main rival wants them to do.

In the second place, what exactly would be accomplished by impeachment? Some naive congressmen and women think impeachment is an end onto itself. It is not. Impeachment is merely an indictment. The trial takes place in the Trump Republican held Senate where conviction will only happen when pigs can fly. Trump would become a martyr, a victim of Democratic overreach. Why do you think Trump wants to be impeached?

In the third place, these immature lawmakers who think Trump should be impeached should look back on 1998 and the failed impeachment of Bill Clinton which was led by the Republicans. After Clinton was vindicated he became more popular. The pending election was a disaster for the GOP. The Speaker, Newt Gingrich, first lost his post. Months later, he was booted out of the House. That is what impeachment accomplished for the Republicans, and Pelosi and others with more experience remember it well.

In the fourth place, a recent poll showed that only 37% want Trump impeached, probably mostly Republicans. It is Trump's only chance. 60% of Americans oppose impeachment. When asked should Trump be reelected, 60% said no, 37% said yes. Twice in the last two days, two different federal courts have ruled against Trump and in favor of the House Democrats.

What does this mean? It means the Democrats are already winning. Taking into consideration 1998, why risk throwing the election in favor of Trump?

OLC, Tlaib, Omar and others calling for impeachment say that it is a Constitutional duty for the House to impeach Trump. Consider this. The worst possible threat to our Constitution is another four years of the Trump Presidency.

That was illustrated in living color today and yesterday.

 

Sorry, Rosenstein and Barr agreed with Mueller that there was not enough evidence.

 

Pursue sure, but he called it a day. If there were charges worth pursuing, he would have recommended them already. Corruption and everything else is all opinion at this point. But I hope that's all the Dems do until 2020. Just keep attacking that Trump is guilty of obstructing justice on a charge that was completely BUGUS in the first place. No Russian collusion so any obstructing he supposedly did was based ON A LIE in the first place!!!! Keep pushing for more sanctuary cities. Keep calling the crisis on the border, NOT a crisis. Keep covering up/ignoring any stories when an illegal murders Americans. Keep vilifying normal people and calling them alt-right. Keep calling normal people racists. Keep pushing further and further to the extreme left. It'll be so great.

And this is all because they lost in 08. The biggest sore losers in history.

 

He did.

OF COURSE!! As I said, transparency is anathema to republicans.

[/QUOTE] Jut keep attacking that Trump is guilty of obstructing justice on a charge that was completely BUGUS in the first place. [/QUOTE]
Your "BUGGY" claim is refuted in the Mueller report.

So you want us to believe that when Trump asked former FBI Director James Comey to drop the investigation into Michael Flynn, it is a "proven fact that Trump wasn't obstructing justice"?
When Trump asked the director of national intelligence, Dan Coats, and the director of the National Security Agency, Mike Rogers, to deny publicly the existence of any evidence of collusion between the Trump campaign and Russia, it is a "proven fact that Trump wasn't obstructing justice"?
And it's also a "proven fact" that Trump didn't obstruct justice when he later fired Comey?

LOL!!!

Keep telling yourself that. I know you have to keep repeating it to counter the facts because it's all you have.

 

If one looks at other polling, one sees that more than 50% of the population view Trump negatively. Pelosi is smart enough to know, that if Trump keeps having his fits followed by a kiss up session, that more and more people are going to get tired of Trump. For those on the edge of Trumpism, he is going to be like that record you bought in high school, but played so often you began to hate the song and the artist.

We still have a year and a half before the election. I'm sure in that time more and more of Trump's corruption will come out. With all the investigative prongs, Trump won't be able to block and obstruct everything. A record from his accounting firm, his New York State tax returns, a slip from a banker, another underling breaking camp... Things are going to come out. Of course his base will stick by his side because they don't have much of a choice. It is either Trump or a Democrat. But for everyone else, Trump is going to go down.

I much like the way Pelosi has been handling Trump. From early on, I've noticed that Trump is easiest to understand in terms of social gatherings. There are segments of the population who center their social lives around social groups. For some it is a church, for others social clubs, some playout on the basketball court, tennis club, or golf course, whatever. Some of these groups seemlessly blend business with pleasure. Anyhow, being a social butterfly at times, it is interesting to see and play with the individuals within the group dynamic.

From this perspective, I was so disappointed to see that Hillary was unable to adequately play Trump, as he is clearly playable.

However I have been watching videos of Pelosi. From listening closely to what she says, I'm quite certain that she is very intelligent, perhaps a measure or two of magnitude greater than that of Trump. She has already established social dominance. He is going to run away and trash talk her, but he is never going to stand to her face and out deal her. His only option seems to be his current one: Nothing gets done until they stop investigating. He has so much to hide, he is willing to stall all if the government to keep it from getting out.

drip drip drip drip...

 

That would be great. I don’t expect that to happen.

Lying to federal judges is more than just forgetting to dot your i’s and cross your t’s.

 

Amash votes with Pelosi. He doesn’t count.

 

Granted that Trump isn't liked. His approval polls using RCP averages has basically remained between 38% to 44%. I never seen such consistency. By the same token, his disapproval has been between 52-56%.

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/president_trump_job_approval-6179.html

Obama ranged between 38-68% approval. Bush II ranged between 25-90% approval, Bill Clinton between 37-73, Bush I between 29-89 and Reagan between 35-68. All these presidents approval were driven by the economy, issues, agendas and events happening in the world. Trump isn't, he's unique. The economy and world events hasn't had much effect on him. It's Trump's brash personal, his distasteful character and very unpresidential behavior. In short, he's an easy man to disliked. Even if you agree with almost all his policies and stances on issues, as a person, he is very had to like. Trump should be easy to beat next year. That is unless the Democrats nominate another Hillary Clinton. Someone whom the people, especially independents dislike as much or more than Trump. There is always that possibility.

I think I'm one of a very few that thinks more and more Americans are tiring of this circus. From both a Trump and a Democrat front. There are some of us who thought the Mueller report would end this circus one way or the other. It hasn't. It has added fuel. There is also some of us, myself included who would welcome impeachment. Whether or not Trump would be removed or not has become irrelevant. Just end this circus.

I've pretty much put Trump and the Democrats on ignore unless something grabs my attention like that 49% did. The circus probably won't end until Trump is gone. Then I wonder if even that would end the circus. If the Republicans would use all their power they possess to make a circus out of the next Democratic president. From my perspective I saw the Republicans to a certain extent try to destroy Obama, at least stop his every move. Now the Democrats set out to destroy Trump beginning the day after the election. I see no reason the GOP wouldn't double the attempts to destroy the next Democratic president. This is called escalation. I think this is my main fear. Personally, I don't care if Trump goes or stays. What I don't want is to see escalation occur time and time again.

Of course as I said, I'm probably just one of a handful in that.

 

Why are you pretending we don't already know? It was when US officials got word from the Australian ambassador about Misfud offering dirt on Hillary to Papa. It's in Mueller's report.

 

Pe-lush-i doesn't have balls or courage to impeach President Trump. She's a drunk and a coward.

 

He's one of the few honest Republicans and free to be honest.

 

Politically, he's AOC.