Trump has to go-He's had his chance-I've given up waiting for him to act like a human being

as for the debt, I do not blame Obama or Trump

something changed under Bush II and the debt started rising a trillion a year, not sure what, war costs, less taxes collected from the Bush tax cuts, a down economy, we need to look back and figure that out, that is how we address the debt, change that back to pre-Bush - what changed - why are we still gaining 1 trillion a year even now

maybe it was an aging America on an American diet... who knows... but we need to find out

 

People like you wouldn't know. You never watch his speeches and rallies.

 

Are you saying they werent great leaders? Hitler lead Germany from abstract poverty to becoming one the leading military and economic powers in the world in 5 years.

He forged strong non aggression and mutual defense pacts. He negotiated very lucrative trade deals, especially with the Soviets.

 

Meaningless over the top hyperbole.

 

Like the one he made today that the only person that is responsible for him winning the presidency is nobody but himself?

 

LOL... nah... it's there. and clearly there isn't enough Prep H on the plant to soothe it...

 

LOL what? How hitler leave his country, and indeed much of europe, in the wake of his "leadership"?

 

The essential difference between Obama and Trump when it comes to deficit spending is Obama used it to stimulate an economy on the verge of collapse (the annual deficit went down during his second term). Trump used it to stimulate an economy already experiencing trend growth over 2% in order to boost his popularity since he was failing in all other aspects of his presidency.

 

Do you not see what you are saying? Our intelligence gathering community and our allies are saying one thing, but Trump and our fiercest adversary say another. You all keep saying that the Russians had no effect, but why is it that conservatives are suddenly so pro-Russian?

 

The one where people flip out over everything 24/7 about the guy. It is hilarious to witness. Free Entertainment.

 

It depends, in a Vacuum he's a boorish rude guy but that may be less of a priority if the Democrats nominate a wackadoodle candidate.

 

And then he led them down the path of moral degradation, death, destruction and ruinous defeat.

A thing I find most fascinating about these discussions, is the stark difference between what a conservative considers a great leader, and what a liberal considers a great leader. I would take a FDR or LBJ over any Republican.

 

WAIT...Did you judge him as the president as did @Spooky or as the catholic priest as had Dayton 3?

I believe it is hate that drives Democrats. We are a nation of citizens, not merely Democrats.

Both Obama and Trump are narcissists. But each for different reasons. Actually if you listen to what Senator Lindsey Graham, who has met for extended times, our president, who met him the first time truly not liking the man who beat him, then learning that Trump respected him and actually listened to him and sought his advice, it seems Graham no longer sees him as a Narcissist. Obama is still a narcissist. Trump at least had a rich history of accomplishment and perhaps gives off the aura of narcissism due to having managed things for a very long time.

I do not intend to judge Trump using the hypocritical standards you get from Democrats.

 

Actually Germany's return to relative economic strength was more simply the economic cycle turning as it did for almost every nation in that era than in anything Hitler did. That and stealing the wealth of people like the Jews.

 

I disagree with your opinion almost completely, but now I understand that it's an opinion based on principle.

 

We used the same standards as did Democrats in FDR era; As you were told, he was basing his comments on the economy of Germany. He did not claim to admire Hitler. Hitlers evil is well known and told widely by Democrats. We examine not a factor but all factors. Hitler loses in our way to evaluate due to things he did other than make his nations economy great. You may not appreciate living in a country ruined by the West where they came from staggering poverty to actually having a job, but that health care Democrats act as if they want, paid vacations from Hitler and more with good wages but we do.

FDR was emulating Hitler and loving it. In FDR case he did too many thing that are illegal so that harmed him being Hitler II. FDR was champing at the bit to go to war as did Hitler but until he steered the Japs into his trap, as Pearl Harbor was his bait, he had to simply want war. He got his war in huge doses. FDR cost this country in deaths to our own people approaching half a million. And he wiped out millions more of the enemy.

 

Obama's policies are resposible for GDP being positive in 2017, 2018 and so far 2019. The positive impact (if we ignore the negative impact) of legislation passed by Trump is 0.3%. That's the positive impact on GDP that the 2017 tax cuts had on the economy. An increase of 6.7% would have been necessary for the cuts to pay for themselves. So the overall impact on the economy was negative. And this will bog down GDP, not only during this administration, but the next two administrations, at least...

http://mainebeacon.com/despite-coll...s-didnt-increase-wages-or-pay-for-themselves/

 

What wealth could he steal? The country was decimated to the point that money lost almost all value.

Actually Germany was far worse off prior to Hitler than one his economic plan kicked in. Germans went back to work but his surrounding nations were not recovering remotely as fast.

We treat the history of Germany as poorly as we treat our own South.

 

What policies of Obama's can you be talking about? You tried to mash down on Trump it looks to me.

 

The last sentence I agree with but the "Nazi economic miracle" was and has been a popular post World War Two myth. It even made it into an original Star Trek episode (Patterns of Force).

 

But neither does it make the pervasive TDS foaming grounded on truth either. They did it to Nixon and succeeded. They tried to do it to Reagan. They did it to both Bushes. It's always the same. The only difference is that they don't have hegemonic control of media any more to completely quash the full context and other side. Were Cruz or Jeb in the WH, you would be the target of similar manipulation and only slightly different claims. Cruz would be an "evangelist nut" Bush would be "dynastic rich do nothing," and the lie narratives would flow from those half-truths.

The difference is that they hide Complex POTUS' flaws and blow sunshine up our asses for the duration, while any non public union anointed Complex outsider who will keep the graft troughs open is the Antichrist, literally Hitler, insane, racist, etc. etc., to be taken down at all costs. Do you not see through this?

Are you falling for it? Apparently so, sad to see.

 

I rate Obama as to money the way I would rate Sears Stores.
Did his revenue increase? What caused a raise if blamed on Obama. What caused so many millions of Americans to have to accept part time work? Will Democrats honestly discuss why we had many workers only working 30 hour weeks.

One thing one can use as a standard. Rents under Obama were cheap. Landlords had a hell of a time trying to get decent renters.

Rents that are taxable to the Feds are on a staggering rise now. I am moving out due to my landlord telling me my rent would leap up to $2 per sq foot from the present 1.21 per sq ft. I shop at Costco store. Now the parking lot is almost always full of customers. This is not how it was during Obama.

My landlord had moved out of his 10,000 sq ft site to half that. He leased out the 10,000 space for 1.80 per sq foot.

He gave up his office frontage to rear spaces.

 

I'm not falling for anything. But the fact remains that there is a mountain of serious government work that needs to be done and we would have a better chance of achieving if President Trump was not so widely hated. And the worst thing is that he tends to make this problem even worse. If he stayed off Twitter and stopped making various inflammatory statements he could rule over his lunatic critics. But nah, he has to pour gasoline on the fire instead of water.

We need an agreement on border control and immigration. We'll never get it since Trump is so loathed. Same with infrastructure and deficit reduction. Same reasons.

 

There will always be those who exaggerate. But I know that Germany was broken. Not merely broke, but broken by the Treaty of Versailles. Hitler essentially hired his own people. He vastly increased the police population and created a vast army. His navy never was as it should have been but seemed to destroy millions of tons of goods. His navy did far better against the less armed if actually armed, civilians shipping. But the Allies took out a lot of his ships so I rank that as lousy for Hitler.

The typical myth about Hitler is he did not create a top ranked economy.

 

I am with you on all of that.