Pentagon Condemns Russian Conduct after Warship’s Near-Collision with U.S. Cruiser

Yeah, sure. The name may change but that's about it. Putin needs to know we won't be bullied.

 

It's probably a response for the many times American jets went near Russian air space and had to be escorted away. That you won't read about though in the MSM. I believe an American spy plane even went into Russian air space yesterday or the day before.

Washington's problem with Moscow is that they won't allow us to get away with our regime changes, covert actions etc., so they think that by demonizing Russia to the American people will hurt Russia, but it doesn't. It only hurts the American people since no one else believes what we say anyway.

 

Those voices, those voices
they keep telling me:
"Fear Putin they say
for what you can't see".

Is that him up there!
Oh no he's down here.
My God I think he's everywhere. Ahhh! - Jeannette

 

Err, I think you've got your ships the wrong way around - the ship on the right is the American ship or so I read

 

It's really a case of "meet the new boss....same as the old boss"....not much has changed.

 

This side is the American ship ................................This side is the Russian ship, at least from what I read.

At the upper left you can see the American ship turning towards the Russian ship. The Russian ship began turning away from it at the upper right side.


Left side..............................................................…….......Right side

 

Most photos are cut short on the left side, so you can't see the US ship changing course and heading towards the Russian ship. A bit of deception I think.

 

Where's those videos Jenny?

 

LMFAO you must be a comedian

 

So you are saying that the Pentagon wasn't lying - well there is something unusual - I suppose even a broken clock is right twice a day.

 

IIRC, traditional maritime rules are that in an encounter between powered vessels the smaller, more maneuverable one (in this case the Russian one) are the ones obligated to take action to avoid collision.

 

They did. They both did. There was no collision. So whining about it was very childish.

 

That clinches it. The Russians speeketh the truth. In an all-out war, the Yankees (in their restricted maneuverable cruisers) ..... are screwed.

 

I thought 'Crazy Ivan' was a submarine maneuver. They're doing it on the surface now?

Jokes aside, recklessness is part of the Russian Military Doctrine. We keep our equipment maintained, have backups to the backups, verify orders 3 times before firing and run everything through the almighty bureacracy to eliminate mistakes. We do this because we can afford to, and we expect we'll continue to be able to afford to.

By contrast, the Russians maintain a wartime readiness by constantly simulating wartime conditions- failing equipment, communication breakdowns, scavenging for supplies, and as I believe is at play here- a relatively high level of independence of command and an authority to take risks. Its a lot less 'career ending' to do stuff like this in the Russian Military during peacetime because stuff like this is often invaluable during wartime.

Probably got whoever was in charge a small official reprimand, and a box of fine cuban cigars materialized on his desk.

 

If you notice in the photo, the Russian ship began moving left wards and away from the American vessel even though they had the right of way, while the American ship veered towards it. The give away, or at least to me is that Washington's accusations came after the Russian government complained about our action. This is why I paid attention to the photos.

I know Washington makes a habit of deflecting from itself by putting blame on Russia. An example is the time we bombed a hospital in Afghanistan. The doctors were furious and making a big stink about it when our government deflected by accusing Russia of bombing a hospital in Syria. Eventually the one Syrian hospital turned into seven hospitals by the MSM - all non existent.

 

Despite all of the very interesting input about who had the right of way and what speed and maneuverability and so on .... the bottom line is that this is the American's fault. The moment they realized there was a Russian vessel in the vicinity they should have high-tailed it out of there. But they didn't and now they have to pay the price.

 

Why?

 

The American ship didn't have to leave, nor did the Russians expect them to leave, but they should have respected the law of the sea instead of playing chicken.




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Yes, the Russians should not have sent their ship racing toward the US ship. It's quite evident from the photographs released that that is what happened.

 

Yeah, quite evident that the Russian ship was on the Americans starboard side and had the right of way.

 

Depends on wind direction, doesn't it? Regardless, the Russians altered course and accelerated toward the US ship. It was done purposely, and let's not forget that it happened while Putin and Xi were making nice.

 

The definitions of port and starboard are not dependant on wind direction. What I see is the Russian ship having the right of way and changing course to avoid collision since the US ship did not yield as it should have.

What is not being said is that this wss not a lone US ship, but part of a carrier strike group. Likely it was sent to shoo the Russians away.

 

This is also part of a greater pattern. China and Russia both have been up to these shenanigans, and it is a pattern for Russian craft to show off with these unsafe maneuvers.

It was the first such incident involving warships in the region since September, when the Chinese warship Luoyang maneuvered close to the USS Decatur, a destroyer, in the South China Sea.

The U.S. said at the time that the Chinese ship came within 45 yards (41 meters) of the American ship, forcing it to maneuver out of the way. The Chinese said the Luoyang had been deployed to drive the U.S. vessel away from islands that China claims as its own.

The U.S. also has repeatedly complained in recent years that Russian planes have flown dangerously close to American aircraft, and the two nations routinely shadow each other in international airspace as during the Cold War.​

https://www.stripes.com/news/pacifi...r-narrowly-avoid-collision-navy-says-1.585033

 

Right of way depends on wind direction as well as which side each ship is on, from what I've found.

Our ships and planes don't behave this way, but the Russians and Chinese do. They want to act tough and show off.