Donald Trump arrives in the UK for state visit, calls London Mayor Sadiq Khan a 'stone cold loser'

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  1. chris155au

    chris155au Well-Known Member

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    So when someone tells someone to use their imagination, that means that they want the person to come up with something imaginary? Surely you can't be serious! Use your imagination to come up with a REAL country which one day might want to invade the UK.

    What about it?
     
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    Yes that is exactly what use your imagination means, in your imaginary scenario about an imaginary invasion I used as requested my imagination!

    Of course, what else do you think it means?

    I did.
    That is the real country, for your imaginary scenario, for your imaginary invasion.
     
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    So you admit that we can't say that the US doesn't meet the 2% target?

    Well you referred to "PREDICTABLE scenarios." Now you respond by saying, "who knows?" So I guess they're not all that predictable.
     
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    What is a scenario if not imaginary? You don't think that the military is constantly thinking about future war scenarios?
     
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    Have you got a time machine?
     
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    Are you saying that if the UK was invaded, NATO nations wouldn't automatically assist?
     
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    What does that have to do with the military constantly thinking about future war scenarios?
     
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    Because unless you have a time machine it is an imaginary scenario. I thought you might have imagined one of those aswell.
    Anyway back to the story, Vatican invades UK, then what?
     
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    Well ... I never told that they do not meet ... but I told that very much of what is spend has nothing to do with pure national defence and / or NATO alliance.

    Can you look to the future and predict what will be in 10, 20 or more years?
    Probably as little as I can ... so why substantiate something with an abstract threat as you do it that does not exist at present and where nobody knows if it ever exists as a threat scenario in the distant future?
     
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    I'm a little surprised now ... I thought you knew the process and the procedure under Article 5 of the NATO Treaty?
     
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    I thought that you may have been talking about when one NATO country goes to another country to fight a war, not when one NATO country is itself invaded.
     
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    No, which is EXACTLY why Western alliances CANNOT be messed with!

    Because we do not know the future!
     
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    Again, which is what the military does ALL THE TIME! Were you unaware of this?

    The Vatican is destroyed by the UK in a matter of seconds. No need for US support.
     
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    No, that is why I was happy to be invaded by the red headed green eyed amazons, but for some reason you thought they were too imaginary and you wanted a real imaginary country for your imaginary invasion of UK.
    Yes because we now have an army of Amazons to fight the Swiss Guard and we distracted the priests with some choir boys! Worked a charm!
     
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    And this is a scenario that you genuinely think the military would consider?

    Are you really 65? You seem more like 15.
     
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    Please show where you stated this had to be a genuine imaginary scenario that the military would consider, and stop imagining you have said things you have not.
    Why the ad hom? I supplied the imaginary real country for your imaginary scenario for an imaginary invasion of the UK and just imagined the ending a bit better. Why when you are the one with an imaginary invasion by an imaginary real country do you suggest I am being childish?
     
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    I refer you to post number 1 and start from there.......
     
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    I didn't. Neither did I didn't say that it had to be a NON-genuine scenario that the military would NOT consider, but that's what you went with. I just told you to imagine an invasion scenario. Most people with a bit of common sense would know that I'm talking about a genuine imaginary invasion scenario that the military would consider.

    If you think that imagining an invasion by a real country is being childish, then you think that the military is childish. Neither me or the military is being childish.
     
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    Which isn't your post. It's very simple; you said that NATO is "used by the US to subsidise their worldwide ambitions" and you have UTTERLY failed to substantiate that claim! Only laughable deflection since then!
     
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    Why?
    The military defend the UK, you imagine on a forum, can you see the difference?
     
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    Most people think logically. Now that you know that I'm talking about an invasion scenario that the military would consider, are you going to be able to say that there is a potential scenario in the future where the UK will need the support of the US? Or are you brave enough to say that there is no chance whatsoever of such a scenario?

    Of course. Why does this mean that both me and the military can't imagine a future invasion scenario?
     
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    As I do.
    Show me where I said you could not, please stick to things I have said and not your imagination?
     
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    Why did you point out that there is a difference then?
     
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    Look ...
    f any member of NATO is attacked by anyone, it has the right to issue Article 5 to the NATO Council. The NATO Council examines the whole and decides accordingly.
    NATO Council means all NATO member countries are represented by one vote!
    During the Falklands War in 1982, Argentina attacked and occupied the British Falkland Islands. The Falkland Islands ... albeit thousands of miles from the UK ... are just as British territory as Wales or Northern Ireland. So it was an attack of another on a NATO member and something that actually falls fully under Article 5.
    So ... why was not there a war of complete NATO vs. Argentienien, but only UK vs. Argentina?

    The answer is that UK has not triggered the Article 5 process at the NATO Council .... so there is no automaticity!

    But even with the only Artiekl 5 case so far - 9/11 - there are limitations and no automatism.
    The constitution of many European NATO members had limitations here when, about 1 month after 9/11, the Article 5 process was triggered.
    In concrete terms, the constitution provides for immediate assistance on the territory within the NATO members ... but in an offensive deployment outside of this NATO territory, as after 9/11 in Afghanistan, it is only permitted by decision of the parliament.
    One, but not the only, one of these Europeans is Germany, and in fact the post-communists of the former GDR, which also sat in parliament, voted against the operation on the grounds that it was not an attack according to Article 5. But these Communists were almost the only ones who voted No in Germany!
     
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    So, does it mean that it is sufficient for you to have any abstract, indefinable, and at the moment not even looming danger of saying that UK will definitely depend on the help of the US in an attack by whom in 2046?
    Interesting ... but I do not even see it that way!
     

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