By opting out of owning guns, you're giving us a power monopoly.

I don't know, why?

 

If someone doesn't like something, that's a reason to not want something.

I don't like cancer...therefore I do not want it.

I don't like explosives...therefore I do not want them.

 

I don't know....

I suppose the places with no worries about violent crime are the ones with the most loaded guns at the ready. Right?

Because tons and tons of loaded guns equals safety for all.

Where do you live and how many people have you had to use your loaded guns on?

 

So now she doesn't want a gun, regrets what she did, nor can she "protect" herself.

Most people hire professionals.

Just like most people call the cops or hire security, etc.

Some people "couldn't" clean up sewage. Some people "couldn't" go sky diving.

You want everyone owning and carrying a loaded gun, correct?

You think that's the way the world should live?

You'd feel safer that way?

 

And the question remains...why?

 

I might buy a gun at some point, but currently I'm just lazy and really it's not even close to the top of my needs list. Also I'd have to practice, hence the laziness. That's my reason. That fear is at the top of yours really tells me something though. I'm not concerned about you having guns, I am concerned, though, about idiots having them, the same reason I'm concerned that an idiot might run a red light and cause my death but fear would be an incorrect term to use. If all I thought about every day were all the possible ways I could die I probably would have gone nuts long ago.

 

I don't know either - hence the question. It wasn't a 'gotcha'...it was a genuine question.

 

She cant protect herself with a gun (legally) because she gave up that right by committing a crime with a gun.

No one has a cop by their side 24/7, and only the wealthy elite can afford professionals.

Anyone can clean up sewage, they just dont want to. Some elderly folk do skydive, and firing a gun requires no similar amount of physical fitness. Thats like comparing knitting to football...

I do not want everyone carrying a gun, although I would feel as safe as I do now if everyone did. I have no problem barring the criminally violent and legally insane from gun ownership, though theres no law that will actually keep them from getting guns. The world should live under the presumption that anyone wearing clothes could be concealing a firearm, because that is reality no matter what laws we make. Which is not the same as living in fear of everyone, but rather being prepared to respond effectively.

 

Your entire "most people" thing line is correct - most people wont be able or need to do any number of things that might save their lives.
But, you never know if/when that will be you.
Hence, the fact that "most people" won't need a gun to protect themselves in no way means you won't need one tomorrow, and thus does not invalidate having a gun to protect yourself.

So?

 

What part of my post led you to believe that Im afraid?

 

The point is a gun is no sure fire way to protect anyone (like your entire family). Seems it rarely is.

How many lives have you saved? How many times have you needed your gun?

When I'm in a car, I wear a seat belt the entire time. Not just occasionally and hope that's the right time.

 

A crime she would not have committed had she not had a gun in the first place.

That was her point. That's why she doesn't even want a gun now.

Yeah, they don't want to...that's what I said.

And many simply can't for various physical or mental reasons.

How many times have you used your gun to save your life or anyone else's?

 

Your continued equation of 'can't' and 'doesn't want to' indicate a fundamental block in our ability to communicate. I don't think we're entirely speaking the same language as those concepts are quite different from eachother.

I've never used my gun defensively. I've also never used a fire extinguisher to save myself from a fire or had my airbags deploy or been saved by my seatbelt.

 

And so...?

 

Who said can't and don't want to are the same...

Some people can't...

some don't want to.

As far as seat belts or fire extinguishers go, are there any downsides or dangers in using them?

I believe there are laws and regulations in regard to both.

 

So people act like it is.

But it's not.

 

The only difference is, none of those things can be used to kill a grown adult by accident or just by handling them incorrectly (yes there are extraneous situations), but lets be realistic here. A gun can. And even fire extinguishers have regulations around them. I don't know but I tend to think guns require at least the same regulation as a vehicle since it has about the same chance (and ease) of being used to kill, whether it's use was accidental, by defense, or with intent.

Actually its probably easier to kill with a gun than with a vehicle, you decide.

And it does seem like the biggest part of your argument is based on fear, fear for your family, fear from the government... which is understandable but there are always two sides to everything.

 

Right.

Also, I don't think millions of fire extinguishers are being stolen and sold illegally.

 

That was actually pretty funny.

 

Seatbelts have people by locking them in burning or sinking cars. Airbags have maimed/killed many firefighters and rescue personel. Though both of them have benefits that far outweigh their danger. Unlike firearms, their benefits are relatively easily measured. Those saved by firearms are far harder to determine and measure because prevented crimes aren't often reported and often may even go unnoticed.

 

Didn't I just say "there are of course extraneous situations" and "let's be realistic here"? Anything can kill you, but guns ARE specifically designed to kill you. Please don't list off everything that can kill you or we'd be here the rest of the year. Sure they can be used to stop crimes, but they are more than likely going to make things much worse if the user is not properly trained. Hence at least treating them the same way vehicles are treated.

 

History of the world? Eventually everything goes to ****, and if you are not armed, you die.

 

Some people, you mean.
So what?

 

So this started because someone brought it up, and it wasn't me.

If someone says guns are a great way to protect your entire family again, I'd probably ask the same questions again.

 

Guns are specifically designed to kill. Whether its 'you' or your potential murderer.

Training is certainly important. I would love to see more emphasis put on training people how to safely and proficiently use firearms. The funding to provide this to people just isn't there.