Trump says he would listen if foreigners offered dirt on opponents

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  1. Hoosier8

    Hoosier8 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    You mean by going through proxies, the DNC and Hillary paid for information directly from Russians. In case you missed it, the FBI was the last to get it after the media, the State Department, and some congress critters.
     
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    So let's assume Hillary actually did what is being said and there are no differences...

    all of a sudden that's cool?
     
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    But of course. The Orange One declared it so. ;)
     
  4. Right is the way

    Right is the way Well-Known Member

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    Which one is not true? Billy was accused of rape, Gore was caught making phone calls from his government office to solicit money for the campaign, and now It is found out that a Hip hop artist that is a foreigner help raise money for Obama.
     
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    You all told us it was perfectly fine
     
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    Trump is happy to get information on political opponents from hostile foreign governments.

    Trump thinks of himself more as a reality T.V. host than a President, and he loves drama, particularly if he is at the center of it.

    For that reason Trump wants to be impeached. It would be an exciting melodrama, and he would be the star attraction. Moreover, he is assured of a happy ending. The lapdogs in the Senate, otherwise known as Trump Republicans, will exonerate him of any wrongdoing.

    Allow me to digress. Regarding the recent crisis with Mexico, I wrote, "So, all of this was just another bogus threat from Trump. This is typical Trump. First, he creates a controversy out of thin air. Then later he backs down from his threats and claims he solved the controversy he created."

    Then, I added, "So, the only question now is, on what day of next week will he create another controversy and what will it be about?" That was written Sunday.

    Turns out, that day was Wednesday as Trump made another bold attempt to get the House Democrats to impeach him. Trump is remarkably predictable, and his desire to obfuscate one dire controversy by creating a more dire controversy is well known. That is how our President works. Never a dull moment, and he doesn't mind at all looking stupid. After all, he is the one who said:

    “No, it’s not what I meant. It’s what I said."

    So, what do we have this week? We have a President who said he was willing to get dirt on a political opponent from Russia, China, or some other hostile foreign government. He sees nothing wrong with that, and, no, he would not contact the FBI. In fact when his own appointee, FBI Director Chris Wray, said that is what campaigns should do, Trump said, “The F.B.I. director is wrong.”

    “It’s not an interference,” Trump said in an interview with ABC News, describing it as “opposition research.” “They have information — I think I’d take it.”

    "I think you might want to listen," Trump said in the interview on Wednesday. "There isn't anything wrong with listening."

    "I think I'd want to hear it," Trump said, downplaying the idea such a move by Russia or China would amount to election interference.

    After all this country has been through, and it is far from over, our President said that. Words fail me.

    Sarah Sanders quit today.
     
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  7. Sandy Shanks

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    Your idea of the law is really screwed up. Obviously, you are a Trump supporter.

    According to you, Trump can get dirt on a political opponent from the Russian or Chinese governments and that is okay.

    But if Hillary hires a British private investigator for oppo research that is against the law.

    Man, are you screwed up. Of course, you and the other Trumpets are desperate. Their hero really made a fool of himself this time.
     
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    I got an idea. Why don't you try reading? That way you can learn what this is about.

    Good idea, huh.
     
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  9. Kode

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    No it's completely different. Paying a citizen of a foreign ally with all proper records of the event is completely legal. But don't worry; the Democrats with the help of a few Republicans are tightening the screws on Trump, and the tighter it gets, the more frantic and desperate he gets, and the more frantic and desperate he gets, the more impeachable offenses he'll commit. And even now, it's "in the bag".
     
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    Nope... Clinton laundered money through Perkins Coie to pay Glen Simpson at Fushion GPS who in turn paid Steele. Then Simpson had Nellie Ohr walk it up to the DOJ where it was handed off to the FBI.

    Meanwhile, Steele went all over DC in an attempt to have the dossier picked up as a news item. Steele also went to the State Department.

    The Media is indicating that Clinton's actions would have been treasonous.... Precious when you consider that nobody on Trump's campaign actually fell for the baiting in 2016.
     
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    However, Clinton used campaign funds.... which was VERY ILLEGAL !!
     
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    Not paid for?

    Donald Trump sold the Presidency for that help.
     
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    Don't expect much help from the Trump Republicans. They will squeal and tsk-tsk, and say Trump screwed up. Their protests will die out tomorrow and they will do nothing.

    The Hill reports, "Senate Republicans blocked legislation on Thursday that would force campaigns to notify the Federal Election Commission and the FBI about attempts by foreign nationals to influence an election."

    Geez, they didn't even wait until tomorrow. Trump can get away with murder ... literally.

    What the hell has happened to my GOP? I don't recognize it anymore. They used to think Russia was a hostile foreign power. Now they agree that it is okay for the Republican President to conspire with Russia to get dirt on a political opponent and they won't do a damn thing about it. The GOP has sold its soul to the devil.

    Trump's followers? They don't care. They are cracking jokes, talking about Clinton, and making up fantasies.
     
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    Aside from the open unapologetic moral treason, the most amazing thing about this is how stupid and unprofessional it is.

    If someone approaches you as a candidate, or people close to you, or in your campaign, or you donors, the first thing you do NOT do is take the meeting.

    Anyone in business or politics knows that.

    When you’re approached like that, there are several questions that any intelligent candidate would require the answers to first.

    “Who is this person?”

    “Who do they work for or represent?”

    “What’s in it for them? (If you don’t know this one, DONT RETURN THE CALL OR TAKE THE MEETING!)

    There are a lot of others, but these will do for discussion.

    Trump didn’t seem to understand or even be remotely aware of fundamental precautions like that.

    The man really is a complete and utter fool.

    And this may be a key to his undoing.

    He is clearly trying to goad Congress to impeach him. He knows that the longer they take, the worse the odds get for him, particularly once he loses the court fights over executive privilege and the various witnesses that he is trying to keep away from the television screen, have to show up (and they will).

    There’s no reason to be in any hurry.

    But Trump has just handed us a way for his opponents to get him to blab himself into essentially confessing.

    All you have to do is goad him back. He’s really a very easy target. Particularly with his very thin skin and his penchant for both insisting on having the last word, and his inability to shut up.
     
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    It's called opposition research, and nothing illegal about it.

    Jeeez!!! You guys act as if this kinda stuff doesn't always happen.
     
  17. Hoosier8

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    I don't think you understand at all. Any foreign national giving a campaign a 'thing of value' is the issue and the law. The Hillary campaign PAID for Russian information.
     
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    oh good grief!!!!

    Is this really what you want to hang your hat on? If so, then just no. It's like saying that if Trump paid a dollar for oppo research, then it's good. But since no dollar was exchanged, then it's illegal.

    BS!!!!
     
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    The very worst kind of leader is one that is an arrogant fool. Congratulations America, you own one. Trump is never wrong and his faithful little lemmings will follow him over the cliff singing Yankee Doodle all the way down. After a browbeating Trump finally said maybe I'd tell them both. WTF is that? No Trump wouldn't tell anybody just like didn't in 2016.

    BTW, let's get this straight -- The Trumpets logic is that Hillary did it so it must be alright for Trump to do it too. That means America is blessed with a percentage that is happy to endure an endless chain of corruption so long as their gu get a piece of the action.
     
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    Wrong, it's nothing like the Steele dossier. That was intelligence gathering and Christopher Steele was paid to gather his 35 page dossier, that's all.

    Ellen Weintraub, head of the Federal Election Commission released a statement on Thursday evening reiterating, emphatically, that foreign assistance is illegal in U.S. elections.

    “Let me make something 100% clear to the American public and anyone running for public office: It is illegal for any person to solicit, accept, or receive anything of value from a foreign national in connection with a U.S. election,“ wrote Ellen Weintraub, chairwoman of the FEC. “This is not a novel concept.“

    She also sent the statement via Twitter with the introductory line: “I would not have thought that I needed to say this.“

    Trump has officially been warned by the head of the FEC. What he announced to the world is that he has every intention of doing, is breaking the law. Our president just told all of us that he will commit a crime.
     
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    The only problem with that is he's the President. The FEC has no constitutional authority whatsoever.

    So they can piss off.
     
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    LMAO! That's how much you know. He can go to prison for campaign law violations, which by the way he already has committed with the payoff of Karen McDougal and Stormy Daniels out of his campaign fund. You seriously think the FEC is a feckless, impotent organization? Not so, not even close. The duties of the FEC is "to disclose campaign finance information, to enforce the provisions of the law such as the limits and prohibitions on contributions, and to oversee the public funding of Presidential elections."
     
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    Nope. You notify the FBI first so they can tape the meeting. Makes sure you're off the hook and they're on it ... gods, ain't rocket science, dude.

    And using Crooked Hillary as your defense is just pathetic. That's a hell of a low bar.
     
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    Only as long as he remains a sitting President. The second he leaves office, he's fair game.
     
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    For committing an illegal act when it wasn't illegal?

    You need to study up a bit more on how the law works.
     
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