Trump: I think 'I'd take' foreign help for 2020

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  1. Wild Horses

    Wild Horses Well-Known Member

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    Sure if you need the money that bad. I can spare it.
     
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    Spooky Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I do because I have to spend it to buy some condoms because they are that cheap and its so easy not to get pregnant.

    I haven't had sex in awhile because I don't have a dollar to buy some condoms but you will allow me to have a wild night out for once.
     
  3. HumbledPi

    HumbledPi Well-Known Member

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    This has been hashed over multiple times on this thread already.
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    You're comparing apples to transmissions.

    There is NOTHING wrong with getting dirt on a candidate. It becomes wrong when it is the actual government of a hostile foreign nation.
     
  5. Bluesguy

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    And remains unrefuted. It was the Clinton campaign and DNC that sought out and paid for dirt on Trump through a foreign agent back to Russia.

    Refute it.
     
  6. Wild Horses

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    Sure. Hope it doesn't break though. That would suck. I'm so glad I don't need to use those things anymore.
     
  7. Spooky

    Spooky Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    They have a 98% success rate.

    If I do get pregnant I will name the child Wild Horses Peterson and make sure to feed the child rhubarb and peas every day.
     
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    You should go with Mick Jagger Peterson.
     
  9. HumbledPi

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    The sources were Russian sources that British MI6 Intelligence agent Christopher Steele had been using for years. It was all intelligence gathering, not the same as a hostile foreign entity trying to advance a US political candidate for their own purposes. And by the way, Fusion GPS was first paid for by a Republican organization.
     
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    Now I know where you got your name.

    Careful, I might be a Russian spy.

     
  11. TomFitz

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    They didn’t. The bought a Canadian uranium company that controls a lot of uranium mining in the US. Since it is not legal to export Uranium from the United States, the fact that a Russian company owns a few mines isn’t important. They can’t export it.

    They also gave money to the Clinton Foundation, which was used for program, and did not go into Hillary or Chelsea’s pockets.

    You can learn that by reading the financial statements and filings of the Foundation, which are posted online for your viewing pleasure.

    Of course, that’s not what the man in your AM radio tells you.

    And the fact that Putin personally hates Hillary Clinton is very well reported.

    I posted Putin telling the world that he wanted Trump to win, before letting a reporter’s questions about whether Putin had anything on Trump hang in the air, openly trolling the President of the United States, who stood there like the sap he is.
     
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    No, but a lot of Trumpsters are the next best thing, “useful idiots”. (Who may not actually be idiots at all, just victims of a really good con)
     
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    Yes the Clinton campaign and DNC sought out and paid for dirt on Trump through a foreign agent, who wanted to influence our election, back to Russia. What should be the consequences for that?

    And BTW had nothing to do with foreign intelligence, never got anything from them and had nothing to do with the Steele dossier and the Clinton campaign and DNC seeking and getting dirt from Russia on Trump. What should be the consequences for that?

    It was the Clinton campaign and DNC that sought out and paid for dirt on Trump through a foreign agent back to Russia.

    Refute it.
     
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  14. TomFitz

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    He didn’t need to.

    He’s already done it.

    After all, his campaign was conned by Russian operatives into believing that they were doing just that. We all know how Donald Trump Jr reacted when he was told that agents of a foreign government were approaching his father’s campaign.
     
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    Uranium was exported out of America. When you got your first fact wrong I didn't bother to read the rest.
     
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    The FEDERAL ELECTION Commission chairwoman is speaking out on what Dirty Donald said!She said what he said he would do is ILLEGAL!!!
     
  17. HumbledPi

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    You're wrong. Put simply, the two are not the same. Fusion GPS's research into Trump was already underway when the Clinton campaign got involved. It was originally hired by the Washington Free Beacon, a conservative website. It's reported to have been initiated by one of the other Republican candidates, but that's not important. It was only after Trump secured the Republican nomination that Fusion GPS was hired on behalf of the Clinton campaign and the Democratic National Committee by their law firm, Perkins Coie, to continue compiling research about Trump. It was a continuation of the same research started by Republicans.

    Fusion GPS then hired Christopher Steele, who had sources in Russia. Steele produced 35 pages of research memos. Here's how the two are different. The main difference is the role of a foreign government. Working hand-in-hand with a foreign power for information intended to influence an election is different than hiring a private firm that then hired somebody who had been a former intelligence agent. Everybody does opposition research, the issue here is the foreign government.

    That distinction is critical because a foreign government that interferes in American politics is likely to have a stake in what happens on Election Day. While Russia’s meddling was intended to help Trump win, Steele was contracted by Fusion GPS to find out more about Trump’s ties to Russia. That has nothing to do with a candidate soliciting something from a foreign power. One is collecting intelligence and the other is an active measure by a foreign power to achieve a political end of some sort, there’s no comparison at all.
     
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    I hear the pay is good.

     
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    The law says that you cannot take anything of value from a foreign person. Fusion GPS paid Steele, he didn't pay them. Giving Trump information to help him win the presidency is something of value, wouldn't you agree?

    "A foreign national shall not, directly or indirectly, make a contribution or a donation of money or other thing of value, or expressly or implicit promise to make a contribution or a donation, in connection with any Federal, State, or local election."

    To the extent he's using the resources of a hostile foreign country to advance his campaign — that’s an illegal campaign contribution. That's providing value as a contribution to his campaign and that's a federal law and he could go to prison for that alone.
     
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    from the article you used as a source

    Papadopoulos’s claim that Russian intelligence planned to release damaging information about Hillary Clinton ahead of the election.

    and your claim

    A year and a half later, we learn about how one of his other “senior foreign policy advisors” got drunk in a bar and told an Australian diplomat that he had been told by a Russian cut out that Russia had been the hackers behind the DNC hack.

    which is an absolute lie Papadopoulos didn't claim Russia was the hackers or even that the "damaging information" was connected to her emails
    you just make crap up
     
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    TRFjr Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    like the dirt Steele got from the Russians on Trump?
     
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    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Democrats will love how AG Barr lays out his case against Hillary.
     
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    So it is still OK to get information from foreign nationals as long as it is a democrat doing it.
     
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    What are you talking about? What about the Clinton campaign and certain members of the FBI, colluding, leaking, and spying on a campaign. What about the media broadcasting whatever propaganda and disinformation is whispered into their ears to effect an election. Trumps won the election. That isn't changing. This entire investigative fiasco had nothing to do with justice or law or our country. It was and is all about the left trying to destroy the Trump Presidency. It is a failed and withering mutiny.
     
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    So if I give money to someone to buy me illegal drugs which they do then hand them over to me I'm not guilty of buying illegal drugs because I'm not the one that made the actual purchase?
    Using A middle man to conduct an illegal act on your behalf doesn't shield you from it
    And that is what you are attempting to use as an excuse
     
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