Ask your difficult questions of an Atheist.

Why would you have to pay it all back?

 

California is giving Medicaid to illegal aliens as soon as they cross the border.

 

Don't you know that Obama did not write one word in the ACA? He only signed his name to it.

 

If your wife has cancer it would cost a lot more than $8000! More like $80,000. Why couldn’t you go to a doctor and pay cash? It’s so amazing that you are so angry at Obama but yet you’re not angry at the insurance companies that are screwing you. But the way you think that you couldn’t get medical care for yourself, just think of the millions and millions of Americans who had no insurance and now can see doctors

 

Bull! Well Trump had a great plan, what happened to it? Most Americans don’t want the affordable care act replaced

 

Indeed. Republicans have made claim after claim after claim on improving US healthcare cost, quality and access.

Yet, all those claims have been EMPTY PARTISAN BS.

 

Because at the end of the year they say hey, we overpaid your subsidy, give it back.

 

Yup and whose going to pay for it?

 

He should have vetoed it.

 

Nonsense

 

It's been 9.5 years and the only proposal for something better comes from those of us who see single payer systems as the obvious choice - proven by so many other countries. And, THAT is what Obama advocated.

If Republicans had a better idea, I think we would have heard about it. Healthcare coverage and affordability improvement have been an issue for DECADES.

 

My wife had tyroid cancer, the operation was over 38,000 dollars, then for 5 years she had to take radiation pills once per year the pills were , i want to say ehh i don't remember but around 1000 dollars. On top of that her regular doctor told her to go to the er for an apparent heart attack caused by pills she perscribed, 11,000 dollars for 8 hours in a hospital bed. All the tests came back inconclusive and they discharged her.

The whole medical industry is a crock of BS.

HOWEVER, people donate to hospitals, they donate lots!!!!! The hospital helped us with the cancer surgery thanks to the charitable donations the hospital recieved, we only had to pay the anesthesiologist.
In all we had about 20 grand in medical bills spread over 4 payments a month.
Then along comes obamacare forcing me to spend more hundreds per month for the very cheapest options, which has the 8000 dollar deductible. At that time if i would gave broken a leg I'd have had to have it fixed for free or live with a broken leg, Obamacare took every extra penny i had. At least without Obamacare i would have had the money to pay a doctor.
Obamacare might have given some people medical coverage but how many people actually got medical care???
There is an enormous difference between the two. Good riddance to bad rubbish.

 

Wanna see my tax returns?

 

Medical insurance is much different than medical care

 

Had there been no individual mandate I'd have had no problem with Obamacare,
It was very bad for thoes at the bottom of the middle class or maybe upper lower class.
Thoes on the verge of the poverty line but not below it, the ones who "can afford it" but really can't.

 

Again all i cared about was getting rid of the individual mandate.

 

The insurance industry demanded the mandate, because they had evidence that without a mandate people wouldn't buy in until they had some dread disease. Thus, the requirement to sell to all would be highly difficult to reconcile with reasonable pricing and assured profit for the insurance company.

As we lift the mandate, insurance companies have to raise their rates.

So, I AGREE with what you say above.

And, the only real solution is the solution that is working well for other countries - some form of single payer.

We've simply failed to figure out how to write regulations that will cause for-profit insurance companies to create the coverage that people need at a cost they can afford. And, I see it as unconscionable that we design our medical care to be incredibly expensive (and good) and then provide no way for those at the lower end to participate.

Citizens of the UK, Canada, and other industrialized nations have healthcare for all their citizens. We should treat US citizens at least that well.

 

I'd go along with a government program that
1.entirely cuts out insurance companies
2. Doesn't cover debatable procedures ( no abortions,contraception or sex changes)
3. Leaves ALL decisions between the doctor and patient

 

1. A good number of countries allow private insurance for procedures that the single payer system doesn't cover. I think there should always be the possibility of private insurance. For example, it could cover stuff that is entirely optional - cosmetic surgery, for example. It could cover extended recovery/income/etc.

2. Canada pays for abortions and has a lower rate than we do. While everyone in America wants fewer abortions, I don't tend to agree with the direction of denial and laws aimed at restricting choice.

3. OK. However, there are standards and practices that must be maintained. And, single payer systems must adhere to science based medicine.

 

2 and 3 a US government system must first and above all adhere to the Constitution.
Forcing people with religious objections to procedures is uncontionable and unconstitutional. Private insurance could remedy that.
3. I have no problem with science as the basis for physical medicine. However a lot of psychology/ sociology is becoming based on really bad science. So i agree for physical health care less so for mental health care. For example i don't want government coming in and telling parents what they have to do for their children as it relates to mental health.

 

Then most Americans would be very unhappy, Especially the millions and millions who can now see doctors in those with pre-existing conditions and young adults under 25 can be on their parents plan.

 

I don't even slightly agree with that first argument. We do stuff that is against people's religions all the time. There is no possibility of doing otherwise given the range of religion. We can work on some mitigations, but when we as a secular government decide it needs to be done, we do it.

For example, we go to war - including when it is NOT defensive. We deny individuals the right to carry out their religious practices on their OWN PROPERTY! Western medicine legal requirements prevent some of the practices others would consider required for religious reason. We up the regulation on children being vaccinated, because of the damage done to the community without that treatment.

As for psychology, and the other so-called soft sciences, I think the primary issue is that we'd like to change those fields to be more rigorously scientific. So, we find diagnoses and prescription without the kind of rigor we would demand in the hard sciences and don't like it - even though it was relatively ignored in the past.

 

Im sure I'm not alone. Millions couldn't see a doctor because of Obamacare.

 

Then why do most Americans not want it repealed?It would have been so brief if the Republicans worked with Obama who said it needed improvement. But they wanted to get rid of it altogether and they have this great plan LOL

 

Wr do not have no were we intended to have a secular government... we have a representative form of government. Most people in this country do not want to be forced to pay for abortions. And forcing them into do it anyway is wrong.