Two oil tankers struck in suspected attacks in Gulf of Oman

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  1. Woogs

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    The video quality stands in contrast to the images released last week of the US/Russian ships near collision. What's up with that?

    Also, why would Iran return to the 'scene of the crime' once all eyes were on it?

    Why would the US Navy let anyone unauthorized approach that vessel?

    Why, several hours later, would a damn mine still be attached to a ship loaded with explosive methanol?

    Pretty convincing? I don't think so.
     
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    Oh so now Trump stole the election using the KGB, interesting? :roll:








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    This isn't something you have to prove beyond a reasonable doubt, a preponderance of the evidence should suffice, a reasonable person would conclude it was Iran, it is unreasonable to postulate some Israeli, US, Saudi or any other "false flag" operation. The only ones to gain from such an attack are the Iranians who wish to convey to their adversarial neighbors, to the US and Israel, that Iran can shut down the Gulf and close all oil flow from the region.
     
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    And from the Japanese State News Agency NHK:


    In quoting workers on the vessel, the Media has taken the line “Tanker hit by flying object, not mine”. They saw a plane flying towards the tanker before the explosion.

    Now the Japanese operator of one of the tankers is providing new details about what happened, in a major revelation which refutes the claims of the U.S’s Mike Pompeo. The president of the Tokyo-based shipping firm Kokuka Sangyo says its tanker was hit by an incoming projectile. He says several crew members witnessed the source of the second blast. Yutaka Katada, president of Kokuka Sangyo said.

    “I’ve received reports that they saw something come flying toward them, then there was an explosion, and then there was a hole in the vessel.”

    He denied that the tanker was hit by a floating mine, torpedo or an attached explosive as had been previously reported. He said the damage was way above sea level.


     
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    Unfortunately - false flags are the rule rather than the exception these days with that club (CIA/Mossad). This is not proof but - given the tendency of the CIA to provoke war on the basis of false flags - and the current political situation - something like this is almost to be expected.

    That is the problem with doing this type of stuff - when the sky is really falling - no one believes you.
     
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    Do you believe the sky is falling this time?

    Trump sure does ....

    "Iran did do it and you know they did it because you saw the boat. You saw the boat at night, successfully trying to take the mine off and that was exposed. I guess one of the mines didn't explode and it's probably got essentially Iran written all over it", Trump said.
     
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    I would argue the opposite - it is much more reasonable to suspect the U.S. and Gladio B forces, than to suspect Iran.

    The CIA, MI-6, and Mossad have been playing at this game since the '50's.

    War is a moneymaker and a tool to manipulate public opinion in the West. Works every time.
     
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    Forgive me but when these folks consistently tell lies, engage in propaganda and conduct false flags - it makes it difficult to take anything they say seriously - especially when there is "Motive".
     
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    It does smell. I've seen the video and there is no way to identify the boat or the personnel and they are REMOVING the "mine" from the hull under the cover of darkness last night, AFTER the attack. I am having a gigantically hard time believing that they'd do something so stupid. What is the end game here? There doesn't seem to be any realistic positive payoff.

    OTOH, MSB gets a GIGANTIC payoff, the opportunity to have the "infidels" eliminate the Sunni's ancient sectarian enemy. Good thing Trump can't be manipulated if he thinks it serves his personal needs.
     
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    And the ZOA (Zionist Organization of America) was founded in 1897 & has been influencing US Policy ever since.


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    EXCERPT " Like many American policies, U.S. Middle East policies are driven by a special interest lobby. However, the Israel Lobby, as it is called today in the U.S.[1], consists of vastly more than what most people envision in the word "lobby."

    As this book will demonstrate, the Israel Lobby is considerably more powerful and pervasive than other lobbies. Components of it, both individuals and groups, have worked underground, secretly and even illegally throughout its history, as documented by scholars and participants."CONTINUED
     
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    This is interesting. Japan's PM Abe was in Tehran to ease relations and from what I read he had a list of proposals by the US. If so, then whoever attacked the vessels did it so the blame would fall on Iran and Abe wouldn't want to ease relations. I keep seeing Israel's hand even though most experts speculate it's the US to destroy Japan-Iran relations and go to war.

    The Security Council held a closed door meeting, and the Kuwait ambassador who holds the rotating position told reporters that there wasn't any talk of evidence showing Iran was behind the action.
     
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    They returned because they were retrieving a limpet mine that had failed to explode. If the mine had been found on the side of the ship it could have been tied directly to Iran. It was less risky to
    retrieve it than leave it. As to why would the Navy allow an unauthorized vessel approach the ship, we don't have a ship attached to every tanker in the area. Someone got close enough to plant the
    mines in the first place. Besides, the Navy would never intercept an Iranian vessel without explicit orders.
     
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    Ah, but we had one on this one.

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    The crew of the M/V Kokuka Courageous, a Japanese-owned, Panamanian-flagged tanker, was rescued by the U.S.-guided missile destroyer USS Bainbridge.
     
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    Yes, later... Not immediately.
     
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    So, I don't doubt that you don't understand that the average person couldn't actually see a bullet. I also doubt that you could tell which Japanese word was translated into "bullet". I can tell you, however, that the only thing a human eye might have seen would have been a missile, unless some kind of large caliber tracer round was in the stream of projectiles. But hey, you know best, right? If I were a deck hand on a burning ship, I'd be grateful to whomever rescued me. Now, let us just all hope they don't become hostages...
     
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    Soon enough to rescue the crew, which was before the video was allegedly filmed.
     
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    Agree. That was one of the best speeches he's ever given before the Senate. And he's got some really good ones. History will remember Rand for his sanity during these insane times.
     
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    We wouldn’t need you to execute the possibility outlined in my original post.
     
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    None of that would happen.
     
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    Sanctions dont work when the EU does not participates.
     
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    The ship wasn't sinking... They had plenty of time.
    If you're rescued from your burning house by the firefighters, does that mean that they were parked in front of your house when the fire started. I know logic isn't your forte, but try to do better sometime.
     
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    You didn’t read what I outlined. The only point that would require some cooperation is ******** them off from international banking system.
    Again, not hard. The Fed says no transactions are allowed for any entity in the US with an entity that exchanges even a penny with Russia. You chose - trade with the US or the 2% midget.
     
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    The video was taken several hours after the incident, if the story is to be believed. The US Navy had already rescued the crew. It was, by its own admission, on the scene. Do you think they would just leave the scene unattended after such an incident?

    Speaking of logic, why not try some yourself? It would be a change.
     
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    2019 : U.S. trade in goods with Russia
    NOTE: All figures are in millions of U.S. dollars on a nominal basis, not seasonally adjusted unless otherwise specified. Details may not equal totals due to rounding. Table reflects only those months for which there was trade.

    Month Exports Imports Balance
    January 2019 471.6 1,559.0 -1,087.4
    February 2019 547.9 1,055.4 -507.5
    March 2019 853.0 1,745.6 -892.6
    April 2019 412.3 2,147.1 -1,734.8
    TOTAL 2019 2,284.8 6,507.1 -4,222.3
     

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