Colorado Christian cakeshop sued a third time for discrimination.

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  1. Tim15856

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    You can discriminate, just not based on protected classes. Race, religion, sex, etc.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protected_group
     
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    For EVERY customer? And go out of business?
     
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    Soooo ... if ths stinky is of Hispanic origin, he can claim I did it was because of his origin and accuse me and I am the bad one then? ROFL ...
     
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    No, if someone comes in and is filthy, you don't have to serve him. Now if he is Black and stinky and the guy in your chair is white and stinky then yes, you have to serve him too.
     
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    Sorry that I have to say that ... but your legal system is bullshit!

    If you start a business with yourself, you better study 2 semesters of law before!

    I had that in my job, that in the US, the legal system is ridiculous and a money printing machine for lawyers!
    If you make a delivery contract at us as a company with a supplier, then the highest level of management is maximum involved on both sides and then sign the deal and cotnract ...
    With you, the contract is then after negotiated for weeks to the respective law firms, who then negotiate further details and make changes and take damn much money for itbefore the head of purchasing and head of sales then sign.
     
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    What does the US being a litigious society have to do with civil rights? As a Sales Manager for a electronic manufacturing company with a branch in Czechoslovakia and two in China in addition to the US I signed P&S agreements, submitted quotes and accepted them with no inputs from legal. The contracts are standard contracts that are written by lawyers and just fill in the blanks for individual orders.
     
  7. Tim15856

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    Yes, the tort system is a joke and since most law makers are lawyers, you can expect them to take care of their own. But in this case, it's a civil rights issue. Blacks and other groups were denied service because of who they were born as and this type of discrimination was outlawed.
     
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    He can claim anything he wants. He’d have to provide evidence of illegal discrimination to actually bring a case. That’s why many of these cases involve the business admitting the actual discrimination but claiming some kind of exemption or mitigation. It’d usually be very difficult to prove for a singular incident otherwise.

    I’m pretty sure you have similar laws in Germany. I know there are here in the UK and probably in most other western jurisdictions too, especially on the traditional race, religion and gender grounds. It’s also worth noting that 99.99% of businesses appear to be operating perfectly fine without falling foul of these laws. These are high profile but also very isolated incidents.
     
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    "This stinky?" Who the hell is that?
     
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    chris155au Well-Known Member

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    Admitting discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation?

    It'd be difficult to prove what?

    Yes, hence why these laws are totally unnecessary.

    Yes, all involving same sex weddings. Gee I wonder what's going on there...
     
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    Are you sure that he's talking about the tort system?
     
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    Essentially yes. They admit to treating the customers in question differently to other customers, the disputes then become whether that falls within the scope of the law or not. The cases become technical rather than investigatory at that point.

    Difficult to prove that the reason for refusing service was based on a characteristic specified in the law.

    Most people don’t commit murder. Do you think homicide laws are totally unnecessary too?

    Because there is a small subset of people trying to make a political case out of them. Again, this isn’t necessary all anti-discrimination cases, only the high-profile ones.
     
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    Talk about doing the same thing again and again and expecting different results.
     
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    Yeah, that's the definition of insanity. This garbage human thinks that his case will somehow be different this time. :roflol:
     
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    I respect the baker for his integrity and standing up for his beliefs regardless of the consequences. How many in this country would do the same when faced with a loss of $$$$$.

    Anyway the very paganism that gives gays allowance to harass Christians for their beliefs, is the same paganism that will backfire on them in the end. Hitler's "Night of the Long Knives" comes to mind.


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    The reason States were given rights above the Federal government was to insure people's freedoms. Nobody and no government should impose itself on others, no matter how offensive something might be to someone or to some group. When laws are made that inhibit people's freedoms to choose what they want and who they want to be with whether it's in one's home, club, school or business, then you have a tyranny - and that is exactly what this country has become; a liberal tyranny.

    Of course some people are going to be hurt, so what? We are all hurt at some time or other, and we all hurt others at some time or other. Live with it, that's life, but don't go around forcing people to bow to your wishes regardless of how unjust they might be because it only inhibits their resentment and it will fester and grow inside of them. When it finally gives way, it will be murderous - literally.
     
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    Wow, we agree on something.
     
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    I think there must be different sorts of Christians.
    Didn’t Jesus preach tolerance?
     
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    Homosexuality has been observed in many species. It is normal and natural. It's not common but don't equate that as not being normal.

    This is two male giraffes cuddling.

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    We'll just have to agree to disagree...
     
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    There is no "agree or disagree". This is objective fact.
     
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    Whatever floats your boat dude...
     
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    Here is a gay male dog trying to have sex with a female. The results were predictable.

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    I presented a fact to you and all you have is "I disagree". Is that really all you have?
     
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    I used to have a gorgeous dog but we were sure he was gay. We thought that not just because he kept mounting dogs in the park - they all do that but because when visiting my parents with a bitch in heat across the road he ignored her!!

    My daughter was telling me last week she had been watching a program about gay dogs and that was one of the key things they mentioned.
     
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