Warren Holds the 'Center'

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  1. perotista

    perotista Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Whether or not this says more about me than others, Warren to me is far left. Biden, Klobuchar, Hickenlooper would be more center left. I would be more apt to vote for any the last three than Warren. In fact if it were Warren vs. Trump, I would vote third party like I did in 2016, against both major party candidates.
     
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    I agree. If...and that's a big IF...Yang gets the win in the primary then I would vote for him over Trump. If anyone else gets it then I'll be voting for Trump. At least that's where I stand currently. That may change of course. I haven't heard Yangs policy on guns yet so....
     
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    It is the Establishment message that is costing the party votes.

    The Prog message resonated with enough of the party to win in 2018 by actually INCREASING turnout to record levels for a midterm election.
     
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    We agree that Yang is the dark horse outsider candidate however so was Bill Clinton.

    The significant difference is that Yang does not have the BAGGAGE that the other candidates do.
     
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    OcraZio Cortez is "the boss" JS. Pelosi won't last until the election.
     
  6. Dissily Mordentroge

    Dissily Mordentroge Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    At this stage but you aint seen nothin yet .
     
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    Nope, it was Trump and the progs hitchiked on it.

    The majority of the Dems do not want a prog.
     
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    Maybe I understand the US political system far less than I thought as I don’t understand what you’re trying to say.
    Does any of this clip of Pete Buttigieg cover the area you’re talking about? What do you mean by ‘You don’t have the votes’?
    https://www.nbcnews.com/now/video/2...lans-to-end-the-electoral-college-61881925929
     
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  9. Derideo_Te

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    Yes, the Progs were initially motivated by the BLOTUS but then once they got into serious GOTV legwork they did the MATH and figured out the Progressive message would RESONATE with disillusioned and disaffected voters who had either GIVEN UP or never bothered to REGISTER because the Dem ESTABLISHMENT had FAILED to deliver. That Prog Messaging is what created the RECORD Blue Wave for the 2018 Midterms.

    There is nothing that substantiates that the "majority of the Dems do not want a prog".
     
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    I like Mayor Pete, D M, I just don't think his msg or other progs' msgs resonate with the party. Maybe the primaries will show I am wrong.

    You and De-rideo Te, I believe, don't have the pulse of the party on this.

    Time will tell.
     
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    It will but don’t be so certain the party has even begun to get Pete Buttigieg’s pulse.
     
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    Agreed -- and well said! Although I disagree with Yang's proposal for "Universal Basic Income", or any such thinly-disguised welfare handout, he is, as you say, "head and shoulders" above this Democrat cabal....

    I have wanted very much for you guys on the Left to come up with the reincarnation of John F. Kennedy. Well, obviously, that's not going to happen... but Andrew Yang may (MAY) rise to your nomination. At this point, if I were a Democrat, I'd be saying to my fellow Democrats -- "Pull your heads out of your butts and realize that it's going to take more than stupid promises of 'free stuff' to win the next election! The economy is too good now for those who are willing to work!"

    Hint: those who work don't WANT to have to support those who don't or won't work.... Nobody loves a parasite.
     
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    The Dem Establishment is caught in a quandary. Their message is stale and turns off more voters than it attracts. It is primarily based upon the FALLACY that the American voters lean conservative and therefore the Dem party must bend over backwards to attract moderate conservatives. This explains why so many voters have abandoned the Dem party as it is currently run by the old guard Establishment.

    The Progressives are successfully appealing to those voters on the LEFT who do not like what the Dem Establishment has done to the party. Mayor P is one of those new Progressives as is Andrew Yang. They represent the CHANGE that our nation desperately needs and wants. That change is inevitable but the Dem Establishment is too blind to recognize it which makes them just a pale version of the GOP as far as the electorate is concerned.
     
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    In the big picture, it all breaks down to our monetary system which has been under the control of international bank swindlers for over a century now. Whichever candidate or candidates are willing to take them on is a key for me. I have not really looked into exactly what monetary policy Ms. Warren intends to enact if she is elected. At this point, I like Andrew Yang and Tulsi Gabbard from the Democrats and Ben Sasse and Rand Paul from the GOP.
     
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    The irony being that the laziest non-working PARASITE of all is the BLOTUS but that does not seem to bother his supporters one iota as long as he keeps on inflaming their white nationalist prejudices.

    I have a question for you, Cy.

    What do you believe your own "human capital" is worth given what you have accomplished over your own working life?
     
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    Derideo_Te Well-Known Member

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    Warren is the original whistleblower when it comes to the international bank swindlers. Harris is running a close second in that regard.
     
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    Well, Te, you can hate Trump, but even you must admit that although he was given $120 million by his father, instead of pissing it away (like I might have done), he made an empire with it now estimated by Forbes at $3.1 billion. Oh, I know, you hate him anyway....

    Me? My "human capital"? Do you mean my net-worth? Well, I'm retired now as you know... I have no debts, and own what I have outright. I worked for everything I have, and the last time I put a pencil to it, I calculated that I was 'worth' just barely a million, counting everything. By today's standards, that's actually very 'run-of-the-mill' and there's nothing remarkable about such a 'feat' at all. How about you?
     
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    Sorry, I should have been more specific. Your net worth is not a reflection of your "human capital".

    https://www.investopedia.com/terms/h/humancapital.asp

    To a corporation "human capital" is what an employee is worth to the organization in terms of the skills and knowledge that they use to accomplish their assigned duties.

    Now that you are retired that does not mean that your "human capital" has disappeared. It just means that you are no longer using it to earn a living. It will diminish over time but what were you worth to your organization prior to retirement?

    There is another way of looking at it too. Let's say that you are a volunteer with your local fire department. You might not be riding to fight the fires but instead you man the phones and handle the communications between the various responders to the scene. This volunteerism has worth as "human capital" too. If they had to hire someone to do what you are doing a volunteer basis that is what your "human capital" is worth to your local community. In essence you are donating your "human capital" to your neighbors.

    When you look at it in that regard most people have "human capital" that they do not utilize. A retired teacher can spend time volunteering at a public library helping kids with their homework. A retired CPA can help young people to fill out their tax returns.

    We all have a certain degree of "human capital". I try to use mine to help others and my local environment. We need to start recognizing and valuing the "human capital" that each of us brings to the table.
     
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  19. Horhey

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    The polls show that a large majority of Americans, not just Dems, support progressive policies. All of them. Voter turnout increases when people vote FOR a candidate and not just against their opponent.
     
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    Tulsi Gabbard has introduced legislation to reinstate Glass-Steagall and advocates breaking up the banks. Warren opposes breaking up the banks.



    Another case in which the narrative prevails over reality.
     
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    No, not a large majority at all. They may support goals but not your process of getting them and funding them.
     
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    My expertise, such as it was, leveraged on a good working knowledge of many different aspects of federal govenment contracts, communications/computer technology, and the "in"-factor of being a security clearance "ticket-holder" (top-secret, two of them, in two different careers).

    I really tried to help those I worked with in professional settings, and especially those who were on my team(s) when I was a 'people-manager'. My military customers were of very special importance to me, for all the customary commercial reasons, but also because through the years, I grew to be a very fervent, hard-core American nationalist. Except for a brief period as a volunteer fireman in my 20's, I never really had a lot of extra 'free time'... so you could say I wasn't very 'public-spirited'. I was working longish days all the time, trying to make money and get ahead. I helped others when and where I could, but I didn't 'obsess' on it, truthfully.

    So, on a "human capital" basis, that concentrates on volunteerism, it would be fair to say I wasn't worth much during my "working life" (as you put it). I have always liked to mind my own business, and for others to do the same....
     
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    Reinstating Glass-Steagall is a given if we want to break the stranglehold that the Wall Street Casino Bosses have over our economy.

    There MUST be a wall of separation between banks and the stock markets again. That existed prior to the Republican/Libertarian fiscal malfeasance DEREGULATION policies that included the scrapping of Glass-Steagall. If that goes back in place it might not be necessary to break up the big banks other than to force them to sell off their ownership of Wall Street Brokerages e.g. Bank of America would have to get rid of Merrill-Lynch.

    The goal appears to be same as far as Warren and Gabbard are concerned with the only difference being the means to an end.

    Personally speaking if it was up to me I would place a BAN on the Wall Street Casino being allowed to be involved in anything at all to do with lending and loans. That was how they funded the Mortgage Crisis SCAM by setting up UNREGULATED "mortgage lenders" who were making PREDATORY LOANS to unqualified borrowers and then selling off those JUNK loans as AAA+ mortgages on the stock market so that it was unsuspecting investors who ended losing their money when the SCAM collapsed in 2008.

    The Wall Street Casino needs to be the MOST STRINGENTLY REGULATED part of the economy IMO since it is entirely responsible for the insane boom and bust cycles that harm hardworking Americans.
     
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    Thank you for sharing that. You might well be undervaluing your own "human capital" because it is not generally perceived as having any "value".

    What you do have is a wealth of knowledge and experience in your own area of expertise and by providing your own insights to this forum you are using your "human capital" to give others a perspective they might otherwise never appreciate.

    IOW's your willingness to volunteer your opinions based upon your own "human capital" is contributing to the overall level of knowledge of this forum. By expressing your positions that are contrary to others you are effectively raising the bar of understanding.

    When we speak of a "wealth of knowledge" it has no value unless it is shared with others. In essence that is what you, and others, are doing by sharing their "human capital".

    While it might only rarely be mentioned the sharing of that "human capital" is appreciated and not just amongst those who directly participate in this forum. There are many others who just read what is posted and pass it along to their employers as insight into what opinions people hold on various topics.
     
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    I thank you for your kind interpretation of what I've been trying to share in this forum for more than ten years, Te. Honestly, it is not so praiseworthy as that. After all this time, I've turned out to be much more defensively combative, hostile, and depairing for the future of this country than I was before I stumbled on this site back in 2008.

    My 'wealth of knowledge' today is considered to be a rotting pile of valueless trash by young "Progressives" who want a magically-produced 'better world'. I remember with agonizing clarity how much my generation wanted essentially the same thing back in the 60's, when we were idealistic, fresh, optimistic, and untainted. But, one war followed another... and one crisis followed another... and one series of broken promises by national leaders followed another... and here we are today. Unfortunately, in the 21st-century, we no longer enjoy an American 'power-vacuum' to protect us from our worse mistakes....

    Any American who is forty years old or younger today will see the total dominance by the Russian Federation and China throughout the Eastern Hemisphere, in an increasingly close economic alliance with the European Union. The United States will be essentially 'shut out', and then we'll see even more penetration by our opponents and competitors in the Western Hemisphere as well. This will all happen in no more than the next twenty years -- probably in little more than ten years, really.... It has already begun.

    Many of us among the Conservative Right in this country have tried to marshal support among our younger colleagues, hoping to find 'common ground' with an appeal to American institutions like the Constitution, the free-enterprise economic system, and the love of FREEDOM, unrestricted by a smothering, 'Nanny-state' government that makes 'Proles" of masses of people who live on handout welfare and 'subsidies'. ALL FOR NAUGHT! Mostly because of the overpowering appeal of "free stuff", and the horrible mishandling of the entire American economy by our dreadful central bank -- the Federal Reserve System cartel, and its 'darlings', the very-real Wall Street Casinos.

    So, very truthfully, whatever I had to 'contribute' was given, and discarded. How can the Conservative Right compete with "free stuff"? How does the concept of working hard all your life have any appeal to two younger generations who haven't had to work much, if at all, and who are so ill-prepared to build careers now? It's all over but a 'golden years' retirement for me now, Te -- but the Millennials and Gen Z'ers are going to have to live with their horrible 'new reality of watching America slide further down into a hateful, chaotic abyss. And when all the air bubbles are mashed out of it, my Boomer generation did NOTHING to make it a "better world" after all! :oldman:

    [​IMG]. "Who knew it could all be this EASY?!"
     
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